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What really is the moat of openwebui? I have seen at least 4 - 5 react UIs with similar functionality (chat, RAG, document library).

DetroitThrow 1y ago
I think it's just the most popular, most full-y featured OSS project. Based on history, I don't think changing from a permissive OSS license will allow it to remain the most popular, most full-y featured project, especially in a world of competitors (plenty of which have venture funding).
- HenriNext 1y ago
  Curious.. which 'bring your own keys' -style competitors have venture funding?
  - BoredPositron 1y ago
    Lobechat comes to mind.
    - HenriNext 1y ago
      Thanks. Do you have a source/reference for the venture funding? (Perplexity searched 101 sites and concluded that it didn't find any public information about funding)
  - DetroitThrow 1y ago
    Is HuggingFace venture funded? Because they have an Apache 2.0 licensed competitor (but it's not very active at a glance). MSTY is the first one that comes to mind though. And if you're willing to stretch your idea of "what competes with OpenWebUI" I know half a dozen startups that let you pass in some set of keys and "build a multi-agent system" in a GUI usually alongside some pared down chat windows.
    - HenriNext 1y ago
      > I know half a dozen startups that let you pass in some set of keys and "build a multi-agent system" Could you give names of those startups? And yeah, Hugging Face is very much venture funded -- they had a modest 4.5b valuation in the last round.. (I just didn't know they had some competing product).
nirv 1y ago
Not sure about the moat, it's mostly a SvelteKit web app with extra utils after all. But it has a rather unique combination of advanced features (RAG integrations, workspaces[1], pipelines[2], code execution[3], MCP integration[4], etc.) and a user-friendly "production grade" interface. I've built a dependency for OWUI using many of these advanced features, and now I'm trying to figure out where to migrate with no obvious alternatives. My only gripe with the project was the (exorbitant) size of the docker containers, especially for cases where you need a tool with no local models, just a gateway to third-party APIs. Now another and more serious one has been added. [1] https://docs.openwebui.com/features/workspace/ https://docs.openwebui.com/features/workspace/ [2] https://docs.openwebui.com/pipelines/ https://docs.openwebui.com/pipelines/ [3] https://docs.openwebui.com/features/code-execution/ https://docs.openwebui.com/features/code-execution/ [4] https://docs.openwebui.com/openapi-servers/mcp https://docs.openwebui.com/openapi-servers/mcp
- never_inline 1y ago
  It's RAG never worked for me tbh. I thought it was simply because I didn't have Gpu.
  - nirv 1y ago
    I tried it once, and I couldn't run RAG without the GPU either (only using external APIs). Considering that they pull all the heavy deps even with the local compute flags disabled, I assume this is just a poorly supported case. Which is really unfortunate.

DetroitThrow 1y ago

I think it's just the most popular, most full-y featured OSS project. Based on history, I don't think changing from a permissive OSS license will allow it to remain the most popular, most full-y featured project, especially in a world of competitors (plenty of which have venture funding).

HenriNext 1y ago
Curious.. which 'bring your own keys' -style competitors have venture funding?
- BoredPositron 1y ago
  Lobechat comes to mind.
  - HenriNext 1y ago
    Thanks. Do you have a source/reference for the venture funding? (Perplexity searched 101 sites and concluded that it didn't find any public information about funding)
- DetroitThrow 1y ago
  Is HuggingFace venture funded? Because they have an Apache 2.0 licensed competitor (but it's not very active at a glance). MSTY is the first one that comes to mind though. And if you're willing to stretch your idea of "what competes with OpenWebUI" I know half a dozen startups that let you pass in some set of keys and "build a multi-agent system" in a GUI usually alongside some pared down chat windows.
  - HenriNext 1y ago
    > I know half a dozen startups that let you pass in some set of keys and "build a multi-agent system" Could you give names of those startups? And yeah, Hugging Face is very much venture funded -- they had a modest 4.5b valuation in the last round.. (I just didn't know they had some competing product).

nirv 1y ago

Not sure about the moat, it's mostly a SvelteKit web app with extra utils after all. But it has a rather unique combination of advanced features (RAG integrations, workspaces[1], pipelines[2], code execution[3], MCP integration[4], etc.) and a user-friendly "production grade" interface. I've built a dependency for OWUI using many of these advanced features, and now I'm trying to figure out where to migrate with no obvious alternatives. My only gripe with the project was the (exorbitant) size of the docker containers, especially for cases where you need a tool with no local models, just a gateway to third-party APIs. Now another and more serious one has been added. [1] https://docs.openwebui.com/features/workspace/ https://docs.openwebui.com/features/workspace/ [2] https://docs.openwebui.com/pipelines/ https://docs.openwebui.com/pipelines/ [3] https://docs.openwebui.com/features/code-execution/ https://docs.openwebui.com/features/code-execution/ [4] https://docs.openwebui.com/openapi-servers/mcp https://docs.openwebui.com/openapi-servers/mcp

never_inline 1y ago
It's RAG never worked for me tbh. I thought it was simply because I didn't have Gpu.
- nirv 1y ago
  I tried it once, and I couldn't run RAG without the GPU either (only using external APIs). Considering that they pull all the heavy deps even with the local compute flags disabled, I assume this is just a poorly supported case. Which is really unfortunate.