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Well said this is many students' intro to PHP. Why not `<include src=header.html/>` though? Some content is already loaded asynchronously such as images, conte

Well said this is many students' intro to PHP. Why not `<include src=header.html/>` though? Some content is already loaded asynchronously such as images, content below the fold etc. > HTML is really just a markup syntax, not a programming language flamebait detected :) It's a declarative language, interpreted by each browser engine separately.

gyesxnuibh 1y ago
What's the ML in HTML stand for? I think that's probably the crux of the argument. Are we gonna evolve it past its name?
- cantSpellSober 1y ago
  That's why I joked about flamebait, it's hypertext though, aren't anchors essentially a goToURL() click handler in some ways? Template partials seem like a basic part of this system. > considered to be server-side Good point! Wouldn't fetching a template partial happen the same way (like fetching an image?)
- Aloisius 1y ago
  If the issue is that "include" somehow makes it sound like it's not markup, the solution seems obvious. Just use the src attribute on other tags: <html src="/some/page.html">, <div src="/some/div.html">, <span src="/some/span.html">, etc. Or create a new tag that's a noun like fragment, page, document, subdoc or something. Surely that's no less markup than svg, img, script, video, iframe, and what not.
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- mattl 1y ago
  > What's the ML in HTML stand for? I always assumed it stood for my initials.
- int_19h 1y ago
  It stands for "markup language", and was inherited from SGML, which had includes. Strictly speaking, so did early HTML (since it was just an SGML subset), it's just that browsers didn't bother implementing it, for the most part. So it's not that it didn't evolve, but rather it devolved. Nor is this something unique to SGML. XML is also a "markup language", yet XInclude is a thing.
  - DemocracyFTW2 1y ago
    > It stands for "markup language", and was inherited from SGML, which had includes touchay!!

gyesxnuibh 1y ago

What's the ML in HTML stand for? I think that's probably the crux of the argument. Are we gonna evolve it past its name?

cantSpellSober 1y ago
That's why I joked about flamebait, it's hypertext though, aren't anchors essentially a goToURL() click handler in some ways? Template partials seem like a basic part of this system. > considered to be server-side Good point! Wouldn't fetching a template partial happen the same way (like fetching an image?)
Aloisius 1y ago
If the issue is that "include" somehow makes it sound like it's not markup, the solution seems obvious. Just use the src attribute on other tags: <html src="/some/page.html">, <div src="/some/div.html">, <span src="/some/span.html">, etc. Or create a new tag that's a noun like fragment, page, document, subdoc or something. Surely that's no less markup than svg, img, script, video, iframe, and what not.
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mattl 1y ago
> What's the ML in HTML stand for? I always assumed it stood for my initials.
int_19h 1y ago
It stands for "markup language", and was inherited from SGML, which had includes. Strictly speaking, so did early HTML (since it was just an SGML subset), it's just that browsers didn't bother implementing it, for the most part. So it's not that it didn't evolve, but rather it devolved. Nor is this something unique to SGML. XML is also a "markup language", yet XInclude is a thing.
- DemocracyFTW2 1y ago
  > It stands for "markup language", and was inherited from SGML, which had includes touchay!!