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"It sounds like a lot of this stuff happens at bars during events, not at the events themselves. How common is this behavior at bars in general, independent fro
by protolif 14y ago
"It sounds like a lot of this stuff happens at bars during events, not at the events themselves.
How common is this behavior at bars in general, independent from a hacker con?"
This. Very much this. The formula is simple: Get a bunch of people drunk, and the lecherous ones will come out of the woodwork. This is not a problem unique to any particular field. In fact, I would go as far as to say this is a non-problem. If you can't deal with it, then stop choosing to hang out in bars.
Often, it is the women who cry the loudest, that crave and seek out the kind of negative attention described here, so that they can boast about their own attractiveness to other females, while pretending to be disgusted.
There are many more severe forms of oppression, that deserve our attention more than this.
- MichaelSalib 14y agoPlease go read the original post and pay special attention to the bit where con security gives out awards for people who run around demanding that women show their tits.
- protolif 14y agoI'd like to see some evidence before believing such a tale. If such punch cards did exist, then I'm sure that there would be a picture of one online. In other words: Screenshot, or it didn't happen.
- KuraFire 14y agoI’d like to give you a yellow card for your tired and sexist casual and nonsensical dismissal of a claim made by a woman about an actual experience she had. With all the shit women get whenever they raise their voice on these matters, they truly have near-zero incentive to conjure up lies. Worse, her example of the cards is hardly the worst, most inconceivable thing to be suggested as something that really does happen. Rape and assault really do happen, it's far less difficult to imagine that some guys don't understand how a bingo card with "get a woman to flash her tits at you" is a massive problem and not “just a bit of fun.”
- david_b 14y agoWho says the guy didn't just make stuff up? Do you honestly think that is beyond someone who walks around asking women to show their breasts? In other words: he didn't say she didn't experience it he doubts the veracity of the mans account. As usual that much thought didn't occur to some white knight with his shiny 'sexist' club.
- KuraFire 14y agoActually, yes he _did_ say he didn’t believe her account of it: “If such punch cards exist…”
- djahng 14y agoWhat you're saying is this is how men behave and women should either put up with it and stop complaining, or stay home?
- hackinthebochs 14y agoIf we're talking about being hit on, then yes: at a bar, no one has the right to not be hit on. If one cannot handle having to fend off unwanted advances in environments where it is appropriate to make your attraction known, then you should stay out of that environment. However, one does have a right to not be harassed. If someone doesn't take no for an answer then they should be handled appropriately.
- ceol 14y ago> at a bar, no one has the right to not be hit on. Sometimes, people like to go to bars to hang out with their friends or significant others. Believe it or not, entering a bar does not give you the right to run around groping people. The sexual assault apology in this thread is unbelievable.
- Dylan16807 14y agoWhoa whoa whoa hold it. 'Hitting on' is not groping or sexual assault. I'm sure you didn't strawman that on purpose but it's still a strawman.
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- hackinthebochs 14y agoI made sure to qualify the context of my comment to make my points as clear as possible. These strawman arguments that inevitably get trotted out get incredibly tired. You're not going to find too many people around here to fall for that argumentation tactic. Hitting on != groping people and you damn well know it.
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