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Whatever happens, large parts of the codebase + dependencies will be C++ (or C) for the foreseeable future. We're working on integrating with Swift, but despit

Whatever happens, large parts of the codebase + dependencies will be C++ (or C) for the foreseeable future. We're working on integrating with Swift, but despite the team's earnest efforts, Swift/C++ interop is still young and unstable. On a personal note, I'm increasingly feeling like "C++ with a garbage collector" might actually be a reasonable tool for the task at hand. Watching the development of Fil-C in this space..

soundnote 1y ago
What'd be the effect of Swift be on the possibility of a Windows port? I know anything end user friendly is ages away, but I don't live in Apple land, and neither does most of the world. Apple has a monopoly on iOS and huge market share on Mac, and is still at 20% or something. https://x.com/GregKamradt/status/1848045525473677314 https://x.com/GregKamradt/status/1848045525473677314 https://x.com/wycats/status/973761496277704704 https://x.com/wycats/status/973761496277704704
- circl_lastname 1y ago
  The core Swift Lang has is being made more independent of Apple, and can be compiled for an increasing number of platforms thanks to the LLVM-based compiler
  - tough 1y ago
    You can even build swiftUI apps without opening Xcode at all nowadays (albeit no code signing) which is great. I never learned swift but I can add features easily now or create 1-day projects using swiftUI that makes great macOS native UI's.
the_mitsuhiko 1y ago
I'm honestly not at all familiar with browsers but I really do wonder if a custom language wouldn't be a reasonable tradeoff. It's not all that insane as that is a path that has been walked before. For instance FoundationDB has their own syntax to manage their actor system which just transpiles to C++: https://github.com/apple/foundationdb/blob/main/flow/README.md https://github.com/apple/foundationdb/blob/main/flow/README.... V8 also has torque which I think to some degree also fits into that type of mindset.
- davidgerard 1y ago
  > I'm honestly not at all familiar with browsers but I really do wonder if a custom language wouldn't be a reasonable tradeoff. careful, last time someone said that we got Rust
int_19h 1y ago
Out of curiosity, why not C# at this point? It's pretty hard to marry C++ with a high-performant garbage collector, since underlying language semantics does not allow for e.g. compacting GCs.
- qingcharles 1y ago
  What makes Swift a better choice than C#? C# is more platform independent. Has a well-tested GC.

soundnote 1y ago

What'd be the effect of Swift be on the possibility of a Windows port? I know anything end user friendly is ages away, but I don't live in Apple land, and neither does most of the world. Apple has a monopoly on iOS and huge market share on Mac, and is still at 20% or something. https://x.com/GregKamradt/status/1848045525473677314 https://x.com/GregKamradt/status/1848045525473677314 https://x.com/wycats/status/973761496277704704 https://x.com/wycats/status/973761496277704704

circl_lastname 1y ago
The core Swift Lang has is being made more independent of Apple, and can be compiled for an increasing number of platforms thanks to the LLVM-based compiler
- tough 1y ago
  You can even build swiftUI apps without opening Xcode at all nowadays (albeit no code signing) which is great. I never learned swift but I can add features easily now or create 1-day projects using swiftUI that makes great macOS native UI's.

the_mitsuhiko 1y ago

I'm honestly not at all familiar with browsers but I really do wonder if a custom language wouldn't be a reasonable tradeoff. It's not all that insane as that is a path that has been walked before. For instance FoundationDB has their own syntax to manage their actor system which just transpiles to C++: https://github.com/apple/foundationdb/blob/main/flow/README.md https://github.com/apple/foundationdb/blob/main/flow/README.... V8 also has torque which I think to some degree also fits into that type of mindset.

davidgerard 1y ago
> I'm honestly not at all familiar with browsers but I really do wonder if a custom language wouldn't be a reasonable tradeoff. careful, last time someone said that we got Rust

int_19h 1y ago

Out of curiosity, why not C# at this point? It's pretty hard to marry C++ with a high-performant garbage collector, since underlying language semantics does not allow for e.g. compacting GCs.

qingcharles 1y ago
What makes Swift a better choice than C#? C# is more platform independent. Has a well-tested GC.