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> Sometimes, I feel like the whole downwards trend having a single kid loses the family aspect of my previous generation There are many reasons folks have no k

> Sometimes, I feel like the whole downwards trend having a single kid loses the family aspect of my previous generation There are many reasons folks have no kids or only one kid. I don't think opining for a larger family 'for the chance' of having a family member with similar tastes is really... compelling. > Nobody to pull them up and nobody to pull up in term. Not dynasties of tiger children, but simply support in minor ways. Are you saying friends cannot provide support in minor ways? In my view, it's more compelling to solution the many downsides of nepotism (esp. in governments not just private entities) rather than endorse or perpetuate it.

ghaff 1y ago
I pretty much agree. All of my jobs since grad school have come through professional connections—none remotely through relatives.
geodel 1y ago
> In my view, it's more compelling to solution the many downsides of nepotism The solution is endless growing bureaucracy to implement and enforce fairness at every level and it is happening everywhere I can see. > Are you saying friends cannot provide support in minor ways? From my experience family members have some sort of obligation towards other members( though maybe less true or just untrue in modern day US) whereas friends can say yes or no to any request purely based on convenience.
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- mulmen 1y ago
  > The solution is endless growing bureaucracy to implement and enforce fairness at every level and it is happening everywhere I can see. Really? Endless? Everywhere? “I can see” is doing a lot of work there. > From my experience family members have some sort of obligation towards other members( though maybe less true or just untrue in modern day US) whereas friends can say yes or no to any request purely based on convenience. Ostensibly the United States is a meritocracy. Nepotism is a form of corruption. It’s fine to help your family and peers with their career development but it’s not ok to hire them based purely on your relationship.
  - pcl 1y ago
    I don’t think that’s really fair. Nepotism has a lot of negatives, but also positives. It’s a form of management and hiring, not a form of corruption. It can be bad for a business, but it also can be good, especially once you take the owners’ goals for the business into account.
    - Take8435 1y ago
      It's actually considered a form of political corruption. Not necessarily illegal corruption but corruption in the "normal" sense of decision making and dealings of the organization.
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  - no_wizard 1y ago
    >Ostensibly the United States is a meritocracy. I have yet to see any of this purported meritocracy. I see lots of nepotism (as well as adjacent behaviors similar to nepotism) and things typically associated with oligarchy, even in the world of business. Who you know and your background have so much to do with success that outliers are rounding errors for a reason. It has nothing to do with ability or any accepted definition of merit as related to meritocracy.
    - Take8435 1y ago
      I am not who you replied to, but this is why I find it odd that people want nepotism to continue.
    - geodel 1y ago
      Indeed. So many things look meritocratic once one is born in right country, right city, right zip code , right family and so on.
  - geodel 1y ago
    > Really? Endless? Everywhere? “I can see” is doing a lot of work there. You seem to think it is just rhetoric. But ensuring fairness is one of the core job of bureaucracy. After all they are not supposed to be related to people they are serving or rulers/politicians they work for to ensure fairness. It is growing because people want fairness in more and more aspects of life. You've provided a definition of nepotism not solution.
- Take8435 1y ago
  Your experience is typical only for your region, I'll just say that. > The solution is endless growing bureaucracy to implement and enforce fairness at every level and it is happening everywhere I can see. You are advocating for fairness - but for it to be fair - you need to be allowed special treatment and that treatment (positive mostly, from your stance) to be applied only to family members. E.g., "It's only fair I hire my brother. So I can enrich my family. He may not be qualified, but I'm the founder." But then in the same breath, you say it is unfair to bolster nepotism and cast aspersions on the vast majority of workers who feel opposite of you. Your argument is flawed and flimsy, with all due respect. You may have a business that works but no one outside your family would want to work with you and especially working with inept family members. At least no one I know. I'll edit to add: I think it's a sad state of affairs you see friends as just a convenience. Nothing more. Sure seems like there's no investment in relationships outside families which seems very exclusionary.
  - geodel 1y ago
    I did not advocate fairness, neither I am berating nepotism. Maybe you don't read comment but feel urge to respond nonetheless.
CommenterPerson 1y ago
The author used Nepotism tongue in cheek. It's clear he was pretty talented. He was just saying his family was also talented and knew people in Silicon Valley.

ghaff 1y ago

I pretty much agree. All of my jobs since grad school have come through professional connections—none remotely through relatives.

geodel 1y ago

> In my view, it's more compelling to solution the many downsides of nepotism The solution is endless growing bureaucracy to implement and enforce fairness at every level and it is happening everywhere I can see. > Are you saying friends cannot provide support in minor ways? From my experience family members have some sort of obligation towards other members( though maybe less true or just untrue in modern day US) whereas friends can say yes or no to any request purely based on convenience.

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mulmen 1y ago
> The solution is endless growing bureaucracy to implement and enforce fairness at every level and it is happening everywhere I can see. Really? Endless? Everywhere? “I can see” is doing a lot of work there. > From my experience family members have some sort of obligation towards other members( though maybe less true or just untrue in modern day US) whereas friends can say yes or no to any request purely based on convenience. Ostensibly the United States is a meritocracy. Nepotism is a form of corruption. It’s fine to help your family and peers with their career development but it’s not ok to hire them based purely on your relationship.
- pcl 1y ago
  I don’t think that’s really fair. Nepotism has a lot of negatives, but also positives. It’s a form of management and hiring, not a form of corruption. It can be bad for a business, but it also can be good, especially once you take the owners’ goals for the business into account.
  - Take8435 1y ago
    It's actually considered a form of political corruption. Not necessarily illegal corruption but corruption in the "normal" sense of decision making and dealings of the organization.
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- no_wizard 1y ago
  >Ostensibly the United States is a meritocracy. I have yet to see any of this purported meritocracy. I see lots of nepotism (as well as adjacent behaviors similar to nepotism) and things typically associated with oligarchy, even in the world of business. Who you know and your background have so much to do with success that outliers are rounding errors for a reason. It has nothing to do with ability or any accepted definition of merit as related to meritocracy.
  - Take8435 1y ago
    I am not who you replied to, but this is why I find it odd that people want nepotism to continue.
  - geodel 1y ago
    Indeed. So many things look meritocratic once one is born in right country, right city, right zip code , right family and so on.
- geodel 1y ago
  > Really? Endless? Everywhere? “I can see” is doing a lot of work there. You seem to think it is just rhetoric. But ensuring fairness is one of the core job of bureaucracy. After all they are not supposed to be related to people they are serving or rulers/politicians they work for to ensure fairness. It is growing because people want fairness in more and more aspects of life. You've provided a definition of nepotism not solution.
Take8435 1y ago
Your experience is typical only for your region, I'll just say that. > The solution is endless growing bureaucracy to implement and enforce fairness at every level and it is happening everywhere I can see. You are advocating for fairness - but for it to be fair - you need to be allowed special treatment and that treatment (positive mostly, from your stance) to be applied only to family members. E.g., "It's only fair I hire my brother. So I can enrich my family. He may not be qualified, but I'm the founder." But then in the same breath, you say it is unfair to bolster nepotism and cast aspersions on the vast majority of workers who feel opposite of you. Your argument is flawed and flimsy, with all due respect. You may have a business that works but no one outside your family would want to work with you and especially working with inept family members. At least no one I know. I'll edit to add: I think it's a sad state of affairs you see friends as just a convenience. Nothing more. Sure seems like there's no investment in relationships outside families which seems very exclusionary.
- geodel 1y ago
  I did not advocate fairness, neither I am berating nepotism. Maybe you don't read comment but feel urge to respond nonetheless.

CommenterPerson 1y ago

The author used Nepotism tongue in cheek. It's clear he was pretty talented. He was just saying his family was also talented and knew people in Silicon Valley.