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Due Process is being denied to US citizens, who are being removed from the country without the opportunity for them or their parents to consult an attorney.

bko 1y ago
From Claude > According to a Migration Policy Institute report, the deportation system dramatically changed over the past 19 years - moving from a judicial system prior to 1996 where most people facing deportation had immigration court hearings, to a system during Obama's administration where 75 percent of people removed did not see a judge before being deported. You have to understand that most what you read about online about this administration is not written in good faith and reported honestly. Everything is unprecedented and a constitutional crisis. Really unforgivable when basic questions in an LLM can provide you meaningful context https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairn...
- tzs 1y ago
  That's about non-citizen immigrants. What does it have to do with deporting US citizens without due process?
  - bko 1y ago
    Dishonest phrasing. The children were the US citizens. Parents were in US illegally. They deported the parents and their kids along with them. Should they go into foster care instead?
    - tzs 1y ago
      First of all, that is not correct. In one of the cases one parent was also a US citizen. Second, even if in all cases the parents were not citizens it does matter because the US citizen child's due process rights were not respected. > They deported the parents and their kids along with them. Should they go into foster care instead? There should be a hearing for the US citizen child to determine what to do with them. Even if both parents have to leave there may be other relatives in the US legally who would be happy to care for the child.
- preommr 1y ago
  Can I point out that this administration has gone out of it's way to flaunt it's disregard for the law and constitutional norms? Is anyone buying that the US can't pressure El Salvador to get back someone it wants? Anyone in doubt that it's a backroom deal in defiance of due process? There's a reason why trust in the ruling administration is so important, because otherwise the system breaks down. Any time any questions pop up about how the law is being violated, Tom Homan breaks down crying about how the real crime is how children are baking to death in the heat of the sun, that children are being raped by cartel members... like what do you even say to that? Its easy to see why people are able to commit acts of great cruelty if they've convinced themselves that it's a neccesary evil for the greater good. And it is unprecedented for modern times and it is a constitutional crisis on an almost daily basis.
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    Is anyone buying that the US can't pressure El Salvador to get back someone it wants? Nope, America has become so weak under the new rule that now when El Salvador says something America has to shut up and obey… It is what it is… :)
- spookie 1y ago
  The issue isn't about the administration. It's about that this can happen.
- Fraterkes 1y ago
  This comment is irrelevant unless you literally believe the person you are responding to is Barack Obama. Maybe ask an ai to write the whole comment for you next time!

bko 1y ago

From Claude > According to a Migration Policy Institute report, the deportation system dramatically changed over the past 19 years - moving from a judicial system prior to 1996 where most people facing deportation had immigration court hearings, to a system during Obama's administration where 75 percent of people removed did not see a judge before being deported. You have to understand that most what you read about online about this administration is not written in good faith and reported honestly. Everything is unprecedented and a constitutional crisis. Really unforgivable when basic questions in an LLM can provide you meaningful context https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairn...

tzs 1y ago
That's about non-citizen immigrants. What does it have to do with deporting US citizens without due process?
- bko 1y ago
  Dishonest phrasing. The children were the US citizens. Parents were in US illegally. They deported the parents and their kids along with them. Should they go into foster care instead?
  - tzs 1y ago
    First of all, that is not correct. In one of the cases one parent was also a US citizen. Second, even if in all cases the parents were not citizens it does matter because the US citizen child's due process rights were not respected. > They deported the parents and their kids along with them. Should they go into foster care instead? There should be a hearing for the US citizen child to determine what to do with them. Even if both parents have to leave there may be other relatives in the US legally who would be happy to care for the child.
preommr 1y ago
Can I point out that this administration has gone out of it's way to flaunt it's disregard for the law and constitutional norms? Is anyone buying that the US can't pressure El Salvador to get back someone it wants? Anyone in doubt that it's a backroom deal in defiance of due process? There's a reason why trust in the ruling administration is so important, because otherwise the system breaks down. Any time any questions pop up about how the law is being violated, Tom Homan breaks down crying about how the real crime is how children are baking to death in the heat of the sun, that children are being raped by cartel members... like what do you even say to that? Its easy to see why people are able to commit acts of great cruelty if they've convinced themselves that it's a neccesary evil for the greater good. And it is unprecedented for modern times and it is a constitutional crisis on an almost daily basis.
- bdangubic 1y ago
  Is anyone buying that the US can't pressure El Salvador to get back someone it wants? Nope, America has become so weak under the new rule that now when El Salvador says something America has to shut up and obey… It is what it is… :)
spookie 1y ago
The issue isn't about the administration. It's about that this can happen.
Fraterkes 1y ago
This comment is irrelevant unless you literally believe the person you are responding to is Barack Obama. Maybe ask an ai to write the whole comment for you next time!