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Are you saying this is what you'd like to happen? That you would like to remove the element of human creation?

bluGill 1y ago
I'm not sure? Are humans - at least sometimes - more creative? Many sci-fi novels feature non-humans, but their cultures are all either very shallow (all orcs are violent - there is no variation at all in what any orc wants), or they are just humans with a different name and some slight body variation. (even the intelligent birds are just humans that fly). Can AI do better, or will it be even worse because AI won't even explore what orcs love for violent means for the rest of their cultures and nations. The one movie set in Japan might be good, but I want some other settings once in a while. Will AI do that?
- achierius 1y ago
  Why is "creativity" the end-all be-all? It's easy to get high-entropy white noise -- what we care about is how grounded these things are in our own experience and life, commonalities between what we see in the film and what we live day-to-day.
- scrozier 1y ago
  Do you limit your reading to sci-fi? There is a world of amazing literature out there with much better ideas, characters, and plots.
  - otabdeveloper4 1y ago
    Such as?
    - scrozier 1y ago
      Serious question? Good literature that's not sci-fi? Hard to know where to start. For (mostly) "Western" literature, here's a good list: https://thegreatestbooks.org/ https://thegreatestbooks.org/ I'm sure there are others for other cultures.
  - bluGill 1y ago
    No, I enjoy scifi but I'm not limited to it. It just makes a point
- alganet 1y ago
  Nothing will ever do that again, probably ever. Stories ran out a long time ago. Whatever made them in the past, it's gone.
  - bluGill 1y ago
    There are only a few story archetypes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots). However there are an infinite number of ways to put words together to tell those stories. (most of those infinite are bad, but that still leaves a lot of room for interesting stories that are enough different as to be enjoyable)
    - alganet 1y ago
      That is precisely the sadness of it. How barren stories have become, how limited humans have turned out to be in the way they see themselves. Whatever it was before all that, it's probably lost forever. Whatever is new gets instantly absorbed and recategorized, it can't be avoided. There's only so much recombinations of those basic grand themes you can do before noticing it.
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago
  > Will AI do that? No, never. AI is built on maximum likelihood under the hood, and "maximum likelihood" is another name for "stereotypes and cliches".

I'm not sure? Are humans - at least sometimes - more creative? Many sci-fi novels feature non-humans, but their cultures are all either very shallow (all orcs are violent - there is no variation at all in what any orc wants), or they are just humans with a different name and some slight body variation. (even the intelligent birds are just humans that fly). Can AI do better, or will it be even worse because AI won't even explore what orcs love for violent means for the rest of their cultures and nations. The one movie set in Japan might be good, but I want some other settings once in a while. Will AI do that?

achierius 1y ago
Why is "creativity" the end-all be-all? It's easy to get high-entropy white noise -- what we care about is how grounded these things are in our own experience and life, commonalities between what we see in the film and what we live day-to-day.
scrozier 1y ago
Do you limit your reading to sci-fi? There is a world of amazing literature out there with much better ideas, characters, and plots.
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago
  Such as?
  - scrozier 1y ago
    Serious question? Good literature that's not sci-fi? Hard to know where to start. For (mostly) "Western" literature, here's a good list: https://thegreatestbooks.org/ https://thegreatestbooks.org/ I'm sure there are others for other cultures.
- bluGill 1y ago
  No, I enjoy scifi but I'm not limited to it. It just makes a point
alganet 1y ago
Nothing will ever do that again, probably ever. Stories ran out a long time ago. Whatever made them in the past, it's gone.
- bluGill 1y ago
  There are only a few story archetypes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots). However there are an infinite number of ways to put words together to tell those stories. (most of those infinite are bad, but that still leaves a lot of room for interesting stories that are enough different as to be enjoyable)
  - alganet 1y ago
    That is precisely the sadness of it. How barren stories have become, how limited humans have turned out to be in the way they see themselves. Whatever it was before all that, it's probably lost forever. Whatever is new gets instantly absorbed and recategorized, it can't be avoided. There's only so much recombinations of those basic grand themes you can do before noticing it.
otabdeveloper4 1y ago
> Will AI do that? No, never. AI is built on maximum likelihood under the hood, and "maximum likelihood" is another name for "stereotypes and cliches".