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Yeah, Windows 2000 was probably the best operating system Microsoft ever produced. It had no crashes, a snappy/intuitive/sleek user interface, and DirectX suppo

by haglin 1y ago

Yeah, Windows 2000 was probably the best operating system Microsoft ever produced. It had no crashes, a snappy/intuitive/sleek user interface, and DirectX support for games. I am currently running Mac OS X because I never liked Windows XP/Vista/10/11. In hindsight, the progress Microsoft made in the ten years between Windows 3.0 (1990) and Windows 2000 seems incredible. They transitioned from a 16-bit shell running on top of DOS to a fully-fledged operating system with a hardware abstraction layer, preemptive multitasking, permissions, a registry, proper device drivers etc. Twenty-five years later, there has been basically no progress. At a minimum, I would have expected something like the Knowledge Navigator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umJsITGzXd0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umJsITGzXd0

musicale 1y ago
> a fully-fledged operating system with a hardware abstraction layer, preemptive multitasking, permissions, a registry, proper device drivers etc. Windows NT, which was developed by people (Dave Cutler et al.) who knew how to design and build operating systems (VMS, etc.).
- fuzztester 1y ago
  there is a book about it, called "inside windows nt". I had read it back in the day, it is by helen custer. it talks about dave cutler's work on it, apart from other stuff.
  - p_ing 1y ago
    Got a copy sitting right next to me! Along with Inside The Windows NT File System (and The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System). 'Windows Internals' series is the successor to Inside Windows NT.
    - fuzztester 1y ago
      ha ha, mark russinovich is one smart dude. and so is charles petzold before him.
chungy 1y ago
> It had no crashes Windows 2000 is my favorite release ever, but anecdotally, I can deny the "no crashes" claim. Sure it was rare, but I had my share of BSODs and weird behavior on it. Still much more solid than... pretty much every other release.
- jug 1y ago
  I think since Windows 7, it has been very solid except for maybe third party kernel driver issues which needs direct kernel access out of necessity. Today when you have a BSOD, it’s like a Linux, Mach kernel panic etc - 99% likely to be a hardware problem.
  - floxy 1y ago
    CrowdStrike
    - SkiFire13 1y ago
      > except for maybe third party kernel driver issues which needs direct kernel access out of necessity.
Borg3 1y ago
Yeah. It was indeed great, I was using for 10 years, then moved to Win2003 with I still use. But I think Win2003 is even better. It have better kernel, proper SMP support (multicore), good PAE support (16GB RAM), newer drivers, etc :)
- Aloha 1y ago
  Why use something so… old?
  - giancarlostoro 1y ago
    They want to see if anyone will ever 0-day their system. To be fair, I have old MacOS laptops that are my wife's laptops, we keep them around because they still turn on, and they have all her old files (I've backed it all up several different ways for her), but I never go on the web with any of the browsers installed on those systems.
  - chasil 1y ago
    Fans of SimH might give you many reasons for enthusiasm in retro-computing. https://simh.trailing-edge.com/ https://simh.trailing-edge.com/
  - Borg3 1y ago
    Because its snappy, have great GUI, I control it, I have all the tools for maintenance (compilers, DDK, disassemblers).. I know, there pretty nice Linux distros that are lightweight and snappy too. One day... :) but not yet :)
fsckboy 1y ago
>In hindsight, the progress Microsoft made in the ten years between Windows 3.0 (1990) and Windows 2000 seems incredible. compared to what, Linux? the BSDs? Solaris? OS/2 didn't achieve market success but it added major feature subsystems at the same brisk pace.
cgannett 1y ago
I had a weird old "laptop" that I was given as a kid, didnt know jack about computers back then so I couldnt tell you what it was. It was one of those that came with a big heavy docking station and it couldnt run without it anymore so I assume the battery was dead. Had Windows 2000 and I used to play AoE 2 on it all day and it was smooth and the interface was snappy. Fond memories. I remember being really confused when people told me that Windows 2000 was bad.
chasil 1y ago
Bear in mind that Microsoft was the largest commercial UNIX vendor in licensing XENIX for the TRS-80 Model 2 alone. From this experience, they had significant knowledge of 32-bit preemptive multitasking. That exposure allowed them to see how valuable Dave Cutler's PRISM team would be in a total redesign in melding VMS and (whatever tolerable) UNIX features into a new kernel, but focusing it upon Win32. There were OS/2 and POSIX emulation layers also, but these were obviously second class.
signal11 1y ago
I love Windows 2000, it was pretty great, but display driver crashes would take down the system (similar to NT4). Also if 2000 was installed in most homes it’d be about as much of a fiasco as pre SP2 Windows XP. IIRC there were a bunch of worms that did affect Windows 2000. Windows 10 on the other hand will deal with display driver crashes just fine, falling back to safe mode.

by haglin 1y ago

musicale 1y ago

> a fully-fledged operating system with a hardware abstraction layer, preemptive multitasking, permissions, a registry, proper device drivers etc. Windows NT, which was developed by people (Dave Cutler et al.) who knew how to design and build operating systems (VMS, etc.).

fuzztester 1y ago
there is a book about it, called "inside windows nt". I had read it back in the day, it is by helen custer. it talks about dave cutler's work on it, apart from other stuff.
- p_ing 1y ago
  Got a copy sitting right next to me! Along with Inside The Windows NT File System (and The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System). 'Windows Internals' series is the successor to Inside Windows NT.
  - fuzztester 1y ago
    ha ha, mark russinovich is one smart dude. and so is charles petzold before him.

chungy 1y ago

> It had no crashes Windows 2000 is my favorite release ever, but anecdotally, I can deny the "no crashes" claim. Sure it was rare, but I had my share of BSODs and weird behavior on it. Still much more solid than... pretty much every other release.

jug 1y ago
I think since Windows 7, it has been very solid except for maybe third party kernel driver issues which needs direct kernel access out of necessity. Today when you have a BSOD, it’s like a Linux, Mach kernel panic etc - 99% likely to be a hardware problem.
- floxy 1y ago
  CrowdStrike
  - SkiFire13 1y ago
    > except for maybe third party kernel driver issues which needs direct kernel access out of necessity.

Borg3 1y ago

Yeah. It was indeed great, I was using for 10 years, then moved to Win2003 with I still use. But I think Win2003 is even better. It have better kernel, proper SMP support (multicore), good PAE support (16GB RAM), newer drivers, etc :)

Aloha 1y ago
Why use something so… old?
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  They want to see if anyone will ever 0-day their system. To be fair, I have old MacOS laptops that are my wife's laptops, we keep them around because they still turn on, and they have all her old files (I've backed it all up several different ways for her), but I never go on the web with any of the browsers installed on those systems.
- chasil 1y ago
  Fans of SimH might give you many reasons for enthusiasm in retro-computing. https://simh.trailing-edge.com/ https://simh.trailing-edge.com/
- Borg3 1y ago
  Because its snappy, have great GUI, I control it, I have all the tools for maintenance (compilers, DDK, disassemblers).. I know, there pretty nice Linux distros that are lightweight and snappy too. One day... :) but not yet :)

fsckboy 1y ago

>In hindsight, the progress Microsoft made in the ten years between Windows 3.0 (1990) and Windows 2000 seems incredible. compared to what, Linux? the BSDs? Solaris? OS/2 didn't achieve market success but it added major feature subsystems at the same brisk pace.

cgannett 1y ago

I had a weird old "laptop" that I was given as a kid, didnt know jack about computers back then so I couldnt tell you what it was. It was one of those that came with a big heavy docking station and it couldnt run without it anymore so I assume the battery was dead. Had Windows 2000 and I used to play AoE 2 on it all day and it was smooth and the interface was snappy. Fond memories. I remember being really confused when people told me that Windows 2000 was bad.

chasil 1y ago

Bear in mind that Microsoft was the largest commercial UNIX vendor in licensing XENIX for the TRS-80 Model 2 alone. From this experience, they had significant knowledge of 32-bit preemptive multitasking. That exposure allowed them to see how valuable Dave Cutler's PRISM team would be in a total redesign in melding VMS and (whatever tolerable) UNIX features into a new kernel, but focusing it upon Win32. There were OS/2 and POSIX emulation layers also, but these were obviously second class.

signal11 1y ago

I love Windows 2000, it was pretty great, but display driver crashes would take down the system (similar to NT4). Also if 2000 was installed in most homes it’d be about as much of a fiasco as pre SP2 Windows XP. IIRC there were a bunch of worms that did affect Windows 2000. Windows 10 on the other hand will deal with display driver crashes just fine, falling back to safe mode.