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by column 1y ago

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scrollop 1y ago
"telling Ukraine to "have the courage of the white flag"." Perhaps he should have told Russia to have the "courage" to stop murdering people.
- redeeman 1y ago
  do you think that would have even the slightest chance of changing anything?
  - mgiannopoulos 1y ago
    So never speak against brutal aggressors who commit war crimes? That seems to be antithetical to Christian values.
    - redeeman 1y ago
      where did I say that? I am merely saying, that what WAS said might have higher chance of helping
  - raverbashing 1y ago
    No but it puts the ball on their court
    - pc86 1y ago
      The ball was never in the Catholic Church's court in the first place, so no it does not.
      - raverbashing 1y ago
        Neither is the Israel/Gaza conflict ball, doesn't preclude them from voicing their opinion on it
    - redeeman 1y ago
      no, it doesnt. What my point is, is that it would have done NOTHING, whereas the message he did send probably had higher chances, and is atleast something someone might listen to, even if they dont follow the advice. (well except ofcourse the corrupt dictator in ukraine, so it naturally falls on deaf ears)
  - gambiting 1y ago
    John Paul II is widely credited with helping Poland overthrow communism. While he won't change the world overnight, there are millions of people even in Russia who respect the Roman Catholic pope, even if they aren't Roman Catholics themselves.
  - im3w1l 1y ago
    Comdemning evil is an act with many purposes. Making the evil-doer change his mind is just one of possible benefit. Even if that is unlikely the other ones remain. * People naturally imitate what they see others do. A condemnation can prevent others from imitating the evil act. * A condemnation calls on others to resist and not facilitate the evil act. * Condemning someone makes you enemies, in a way that is plain for everyone to see. This positioning can open up for alliance offers from others with similar beliefs. Making someone an enemy comes with risks and drawbacks of course. You become less able to influence someone if you cut ties, hence why people suggest to try influencing in private first.
- weberer 1y ago
  >Pope begs Putin to end 'spiral of violence and death' https://web.archive.org/web/20230326034459/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-begs-putin-end-spiral-violence-death-cites-nuclear-threat-2022-10-02/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230326034459/https://www.reute...
- femiagbabiaka 1y ago
  He did. Several times.
cheema33 1y ago
> telling Ukraine to "have the courage of the white flag". If an aggressor attacks your country, it takes courage to surrender. Churchill was a coward it seems. He could have surrendered to the Germans and saved so many lives on both sides. /s

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by column 1y ago

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"telling Ukraine to "have the courage of the white flag"." Perhaps he should have told Russia to have the "courage" to stop murdering people.

redeeman 1y ago
do you think that would have even the slightest chance of changing anything?
- mgiannopoulos 1y ago
  So never speak against brutal aggressors who commit war crimes? That seems to be antithetical to Christian values.
  - redeeman 1y ago
    where did I say that? I am merely saying, that what WAS said might have higher chance of helping
- raverbashing 1y ago
  No but it puts the ball on their court
  - pc86 1y ago
    The ball was never in the Catholic Church's court in the first place, so no it does not.
    - raverbashing 1y ago
      Neither is the Israel/Gaza conflict ball, doesn't preclude them from voicing their opinion on it
  - redeeman 1y ago
    no, it doesnt. What my point is, is that it would have done NOTHING, whereas the message he did send probably had higher chances, and is atleast something someone might listen to, even if they dont follow the advice. (well except ofcourse the corrupt dictator in ukraine, so it naturally falls on deaf ears)
- gambiting 1y ago
  John Paul II is widely credited with helping Poland overthrow communism. While he won't change the world overnight, there are millions of people even in Russia who respect the Roman Catholic pope, even if they aren't Roman Catholics themselves.
- im3w1l 1y ago
  Comdemning evil is an act with many purposes. Making the evil-doer change his mind is just one of possible benefit. Even if that is unlikely the other ones remain. * People naturally imitate what they see others do. A condemnation can prevent others from imitating the evil act. * A condemnation calls on others to resist and not facilitate the evil act. * Condemning someone makes you enemies, in a way that is plain for everyone to see. This positioning can open up for alliance offers from others with similar beliefs. Making someone an enemy comes with risks and drawbacks of course. You become less able to influence someone if you cut ties, hence why people suggest to try influencing in private first.
weberer 1y ago
>Pope begs Putin to end 'spiral of violence and death' https://web.archive.org/web/20230326034459/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-begs-putin-end-spiral-violence-death-cites-nuclear-threat-2022-10-02/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230326034459/https://www.reute...
femiagbabiaka 1y ago
He did. Several times.

cheema33 1y ago

> telling Ukraine to "have the courage of the white flag". If an aggressor attacks your country, it takes courage to surrender. Churchill was a coward it seems. He could have surrendered to the Germans and saved so many lives on both sides. /s