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I hope we will exit this stage of magic spells and incantations sooner rather than later.

by m1keil 1y ago

ffsm8 1y ago
Maybe we will get to Babylon 5s reality of having literal tech wizards or whatever they were called - which summon "demons" etc
- slowmovintarget 1y ago
  Technomages. They were humans (and some others) bonded to Shadow-manipulated creatures that could affect spacetime. Technomages learned to "cast spells" in a private language they developed with their symbiote. These were essentially commands to "do the thing I'm talking about." One of the challenges Technomages faced after acquiring their symbiote is gaining control over both the personal language and the impulses for destruction embedded by the Shadows (bias? bias). So yes, learning the tricks of getting our AI agents to do the thing we actually meant, while aiming to overcome bias built in to the models when we can see it does sound an awful lot like Technomages dealing with their symbiote.
Frummy 1y ago
I hope we delve deeper into pentacles and rites in candlelit basements to appease black boxes of neural mimicries of canaanite archetypes
- timschmidt 1y ago
  So long as we get to play weird science[1] during the montage. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU
patcon 1y ago
Sincerely, I respect your response to how arbitrary it seems in this form. But... I'd like you to take a moment and think really hard about whether this is truly novel behavior for LLMs, or rather something that has always been part of the interplay between inter-agent communication and intra-agent thought :)
- bee_rider 1y ago
  It sounds like it is a “specific phrase mapped directly” based on another comment here? I guess that means hardcoded? Not completely sure, though.
  - simonw 1y ago
    It's hard-coded - this isn't a weird model thing, Claude Code detects the exact string "ultrathink" and sets the thinking token budget to 31999. I included that de-obfuscated code in my post: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/19/claude-code-best-practices/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/19/claude-code-best-pract...
4b11b4 1y ago
I thought that earlier on, I don't think we will though

I hope we will exit this stage of magic spells and incantations sooner rather than later.

by m1keil 1y ago

I hope we will exit this stage of magic spells and incantations sooner rather than later.

Maybe we will get to Babylon 5s reality of having literal tech wizards or whatever they were called - which summon "demons" etc

slowmovintarget 1y ago
Technomages. They were humans (and some others) bonded to Shadow-manipulated creatures that could affect spacetime. Technomages learned to "cast spells" in a private language they developed with their symbiote. These were essentially commands to "do the thing I'm talking about." One of the challenges Technomages faced after acquiring their symbiote is gaining control over both the personal language and the impulses for destruction embedded by the Shadows (bias? bias). So yes, learning the tricks of getting our AI agents to do the thing we actually meant, while aiming to overcome bias built in to the models when we can see it does sound an awful lot like Technomages dealing with their symbiote.

Frummy 1y ago

I hope we delve deeper into pentacles and rites in candlelit basements to appease black boxes of neural mimicries of canaanite archetypes

timschmidt 1y ago
So long as we get to play weird science[1] during the montage. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU

patcon 1y ago

Sincerely, I respect your response to how arbitrary it seems in this form. But... I'd like you to take a moment and think really hard about whether this is truly novel behavior for LLMs, or rather something that has always been part of the interplay between inter-agent communication and intra-agent thought :)

bee_rider 1y ago
It sounds like it is a “specific phrase mapped directly” based on another comment here? I guess that means hardcoded? Not completely sure, though.
- simonw 1y ago
  It's hard-coded - this isn't a weird model thing, Claude Code detects the exact string "ultrathink" and sets the thinking token budget to 31999. I included that de-obfuscated code in my post: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/19/claude-code-best-practices/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/19/claude-code-best-pract...

4b11b4 1y ago

I thought that earlier on, I don't think we will though