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You probably shouldn't accuse others of being ungrounded in reality if you don't keep up with reality. Regardless of what it is called, it is unconstitutional

You probably shouldn't accuse others of being ungrounded in reality if you don't keep up with reality. Regardless of what it is called, it is unconstitutional and illegal; however, that does not seem to matter to this administration. Trump is currently defying a 9-0 SCOTUS ruling that he facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia to the US. His administration has even admitted Garcia was deported in error but still isn't doing anything about it. Now we have ICE holding provable US citizens. Maybe with that context you can understand why some might be concerned that citizens will be "accidentally" disappeared.

slashdev 1y ago
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- bigyabai 1y ago
  How are rational citizens supposed to educate themselves? Synthesize reality from fiction novels?
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- dragonwriter 1y ago
  The news is both literally reality, and, more substantively, an important means of accessing the more distant reality that seems to be your concern. Individual news stories often contain inaccuracies and even the accurate bits may be cherry-picked to suit an agenda, which is one reason that accessing the underlying reality requires wide reading of diverse news sources and critical engagement with other information sources. But avoiding the news does not improve your access to reality,
  - slashdev 1y ago
    The news is so sensationalized and editorialized I think it detracts from your understanding of reality.
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      By your own admission, you have no reasonable basis from which to draw any general conclusion about the news, having only incidental and accidental contact with it.
      - slashdev 1y ago
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        dragonwriter 1y ago
        > You guys think citizens are getting deported because of sensational reporting. Literally no one has said that they think citizens are getting deported at this time. Several people have expressed concerns that the executive failing to observe the law and obey judicial orders with regard to the treatment of non-citizens, combined with the executives overtly stated intent to deport non-citizen dissenters to the same Salvadoran prison that non-citizens have been deported to in defiance of court orders, raises an imminent near-future concern of the same kind of lawless deportation of citizens as has already taken place or noncitizens > Have you forgotten about the justice system and the constitution? The justice system and constitution are not magic, and they only constrain executive action if (1) the executive chooses to observe the constitution and present people to the justice system before taking action, or (2) the executive chooses to observe the Constitution and obeys orders from the justice system to correct the resulting improper state of affairs after failing #1, or (3) the Congress exercises its impeachment power to remove the executive in consequence of the failures of #1 and #2, or (4) some outside force, itself acting extraconstitutionally, responds to the failure of #1-#3 by forcibly constraining or removing the executive. Were one paying attention to the news -- even ignoring the claims presented in the news and only using it as a source to find links to official government statements, judicial decisions, and similar non-media sources -- one might be aware that #1 and #2 is precisely what is not happening that is at the center of recent controversies in which the executive branch is embroiled, and there is no immediate sign of #3 or #4, either.

slashdev 1y ago

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bigyabai 1y ago
How are rational citizens supposed to educate themselves? Synthesize reality from fiction novels?
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dragonwriter 1y ago
The news is both literally reality, and, more substantively, an important means of accessing the more distant reality that seems to be your concern. Individual news stories often contain inaccuracies and even the accurate bits may be cherry-picked to suit an agenda, which is one reason that accessing the underlying reality requires wide reading of diverse news sources and critical engagement with other information sources. But avoiding the news does not improve your access to reality,
- slashdev 1y ago
  The news is so sensationalized and editorialized I think it detracts from your understanding of reality.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    By your own admission, you have no reasonable basis from which to draw any general conclusion about the news, having only incidental and accidental contact with it.
    - slashdev 1y ago
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      - dragonwriter 1y ago
        > You guys think citizens are getting deported because of sensational reporting. Literally no one has said that they think citizens are getting deported at this time. Several people have expressed concerns that the executive failing to observe the law and obey judicial orders with regard to the treatment of non-citizens, combined with the executives overtly stated intent to deport non-citizen dissenters to the same Salvadoran prison that non-citizens have been deported to in defiance of court orders, raises an imminent near-future concern of the same kind of lawless deportation of citizens as has already taken place or noncitizens > Have you forgotten about the justice system and the constitution? The justice system and constitution are not magic, and they only constrain executive action if (1) the executive chooses to observe the constitution and present people to the justice system before taking action, or (2) the executive chooses to observe the Constitution and obeys orders from the justice system to correct the resulting improper state of affairs after failing #1, or (3) the Congress exercises its impeachment power to remove the executive in consequence of the failures of #1 and #2, or (4) some outside force, itself acting extraconstitutionally, responds to the failure of #1-#3 by forcibly constraining or removing the executive. Were one paying attention to the news -- even ignoring the claims presented in the news and only using it as a source to find links to official government statements, judicial decisions, and similar non-media sources -- one might be aware that #1 and #2 is precisely what is not happening that is at the center of recent controversies in which the executive branch is embroiled, and there is no immediate sign of #3 or #4, either.