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U.S.-born American citizen under ICE hold in Florida after driving from Georgia

57 points by shitter 1y ago

pmags 1y ago
Disgusting, un-American, and unconstitutional. From the original article: "Based on her inspection of his birth certificate and Social Security card, Riggans said she found no probable cause for the charge. However, the state prosecutor insisted the court lacked jurisdiction over Lopez-Gomez’s release because U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement had formally asked the jail to hold him." I wonder what the betting market odds are on the possibility that the Trump administration will use this as a test case for deporting a US citizen?
- slashdev 1y ago
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  - pmags 1y ago
    You're the one who seems to be ungrounded from the news: "The homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've got to build about five more places," Trump said to Bukele, an apparent reference to prison space that would be needed in El Salvador to house U.S. citizens. https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-ja... EDIT: Also from the article above: "Asked again about the idea during Monday's news conference, Trump confirmed he has ordered U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi to explore whether it might be a legal and cost-effective way to house American prisoners. Trump also suggested his administration might send U.S. citizens to be incarcerated in other countries."
    - slashdev 1y ago
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      - Jtsummers 1y ago
        > I see your point, but that’s not deporting, it would be outsourcing the prison. How is sending someone out of the US to be imprisoned in another country not deporting them from the US? To imprison them outside the US they have to first expel them from the US. In other words: deport them. Only someone ungrounded from reality would claim that literally deporting people is not deportation.
        slashdev 1y ago
        I think deportation is permanent. But regardless, it’s a daydream. The courts won’t allow it, for better or worse.
        dragonwriter 1y ago
        The courts haven't allowed many of the high-profile deportation of non-citizens that have occurred recently, including the single one that is getting the most attention, having both issued orders in advance and after the fact, to, as yet, absolutely no substantive effect on executive branch behavior. So, while other things may be debatable, what is not debatable is the clear fact that "the courts won't allow it" is not sufficient to establish "it will not happen".
        slashdev 1y ago
        Let’s see shall we. It won’t happen.
        Freedom2 1y ago
        Categorically, deportation is not strictly permanent.
      - hightrix 1y ago
        And how do you get a person from the US to this outsourced prison? By deporting them. This administration has absolutely shown they will deport anyone for any reason. This is just the temperature being raised slowly so us frogs don’t notice. Reference: just read the news. There are multiple stories about multiple people with the same outcome. No due process.
- rNULLED 1y ago
  Then they will realize there is nowhere to deport him to. Soon, an ICE processing center becomes a general concentration camp...
  - SlightlyLeftPad 1y ago
    El Salvodor has offered to jail US Citizens. Law alone is unlikely to stop the attempt.
    - JohnDeHope 1y ago
      Well, law alone hasn't stopped presidents from bombing citizens, so I don't see how it'd stop them from deporting them, either.
    - mercer 1y ago
      I mean, Trump also probably asked? https://apnews.com/article/trump-citizens-prison-el-salvador-illegal-79113d0ccefefd1f7d8e51c3a4c3defd https://apnews.com/article/trump-citizens-prison-el-salvador...
gnabgib 1y ago
Discussion (133 points, 2 hours ago, 63 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43721170 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43721170
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pmags 1y ago
This discussion is flagged but in the interest of transparency and for anyone who stumbles across this thread it's good to know that this person has now been released: https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/04/17/u-s-citizen-released-from-jail-after-arrest-under-floridas-new-anti-immigration-law/ https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/04/17/u-s-citizen-released-f... and https://bsky.app/profile/llanosjackie.bsky.social/post/3ln2as4myj22e https://bsky.app/profile/llanosjackie.bsky.social/post/3ln2a...
mergy 1y ago
Should not be flagged.
Scipio_Afri 1y ago
Why is this flagged. Should not be flagged

57 points by shitter 1y ago

Disgusting, un-American, and unconstitutional. From the original article: "Based on her inspection of his birth certificate and Social Security card, Riggans said she found no probable cause for the charge. However, the state prosecutor insisted the court lacked jurisdiction over Lopez-Gomez’s release because U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement had formally asked the jail to hold him." I wonder what the betting market odds are on the possibility that the Trump administration will use this as a test case for deporting a US citizen?

slashdev 1y ago
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- pmags 1y ago
  You're the one who seems to be ungrounded from the news: "The homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've got to build about five more places," Trump said to Bukele, an apparent reference to prison space that would be needed in El Salvador to house U.S. citizens. https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-ja... EDIT: Also from the article above: "Asked again about the idea during Monday's news conference, Trump confirmed he has ordered U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi to explore whether it might be a legal and cost-effective way to house American prisoners. Trump also suggested his administration might send U.S. citizens to be incarcerated in other countries."
  - slashdev 1y ago
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    - Jtsummers 1y ago
      > I see your point, but that’s not deporting, it would be outsourcing the prison. How is sending someone out of the US to be imprisoned in another country not deporting them from the US? To imprison them outside the US they have to first expel them from the US. In other words: deport them. Only someone ungrounded from reality would claim that literally deporting people is not deportation.
      - slashdev 1y ago
        I think deportation is permanent. But regardless, it’s a daydream. The courts won’t allow it, for better or worse.
        dragonwriter 1y ago
        The courts haven't allowed many of the high-profile deportation of non-citizens that have occurred recently, including the single one that is getting the most attention, having both issued orders in advance and after the fact, to, as yet, absolutely no substantive effect on executive branch behavior. So, while other things may be debatable, what is not debatable is the clear fact that "the courts won't allow it" is not sufficient to establish "it will not happen".
        slashdev 1y ago
        Let’s see shall we. It won’t happen.
        Freedom2 1y ago
        Categorically, deportation is not strictly permanent.
    - hightrix 1y ago
      And how do you get a person from the US to this outsourced prison? By deporting them. This administration has absolutely shown they will deport anyone for any reason. This is just the temperature being raised slowly so us frogs don’t notice. Reference: just read the news. There are multiple stories about multiple people with the same outcome. No due process.
rNULLED 1y ago
Then they will realize there is nowhere to deport him to. Soon, an ICE processing center becomes a general concentration camp...
- SlightlyLeftPad 1y ago
  El Salvodor has offered to jail US Citizens. Law alone is unlikely to stop the attempt.
  - JohnDeHope 1y ago
    Well, law alone hasn't stopped presidents from bombing citizens, so I don't see how it'd stop them from deporting them, either.
  - mercer 1y ago
    I mean, Trump also probably asked? https://apnews.com/article/trump-citizens-prison-el-salvador-illegal-79113d0ccefefd1f7d8e51c3a4c3defd https://apnews.com/article/trump-citizens-prison-el-salvador...

gnabgib 1y ago

Discussion (133 points, 2 hours ago, 63 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43721170 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43721170

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pmags 1y ago

This discussion is flagged but in the interest of transparency and for anyone who stumbles across this thread it's good to know that this person has now been released: https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/04/17/u-s-citizen-released-from-jail-after-arrest-under-floridas-new-anti-immigration-law/ https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/04/17/u-s-citizen-released-f... and https://bsky.app/profile/llanosjackie.bsky.social/post/3ln2as4myj22e https://bsky.app/profile/llanosjackie.bsky.social/post/3ln2a...

mergy 1y ago

Should not be flagged.

Scipio_Afri 1y ago

Why is this flagged. Should not be flagged