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> Then some morons connected them to the internet for no good reasons. Elon Musk and Franz von Holzhausen, to be precise.

SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
No. Not even close. Far closer to Obama and his circle. Around Carpocalypse 2008, a bunch of three letter agencies started pushes for internet connected vehicles knowing the tech wasn’t there; but would be. I watched it happen. There was some shady shit, and the reality was 2008 wasn’t just about GM and Chrysler but and entire JustInTime mistake that could have stopped almost all car production around the world. Different topic, but the effect was government would be involved in cars a lot more than previously. Fast forward, and here we are. Your car ABSOLUTELY is spying on you, and the upside is you also get shipped unfinished vehicles. Be a culture war sally about Musk all you like, I know, the bad men say the mean things. But this isn’t on him. Tesla had to and in some ways is still learning that cars aren’t computers on wheels, but this specific “feature” came from Big Government first.
- KPGv2 1y ago
  > the bad men say the mean things You really lose all credibility when you downplay the richest man on earth openly bribing voters and the President claiming the man helped rig voting machines, and that same man makes Nazi salutes and goes to Europe and supports the Nazi party in the place where they invented Nazi parties. And then he basically moves into the White House and magically his companies start getting government contracts, while saying empathy is a bad thing and begins eviscerating the government with no oversight. That isn't "bad men saying bad things." But, of course, this very bad man did say some very bad things, too.
  - none4methx 1y ago
    There’s no reason it should cost credibility to say that these people are motivated by an enjoyment of the spectacle of their cruelty and do it on purpose. Bad man has a moral connotation as well as a tradecraft connotation. Neither one of you is wrong to use the Bad Man monicker here.
  - danielktdoranie 1y ago
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    - ryandrake 1y ago
      If it wasn't a nazi salute, why don't you go into work tomorrow and do it (exactly as Musk did it) in front of your manager, and then let us know what happens.
      - eakspeasy 1y ago
        I’m no fan of Musk, but this is silly. If I thought Musk was being falsely painted as a Nazi due to a gesture made innocuously, doing it myself so other people could falsely call me a Nazi would hardly convince me that Elon was actually a Nazi. Like, I know an erudite person (“Bill”) who uses the word “niggard” as defined (miser), without any ill intentions whatsoever. Maybe there are edgelords who intentionally use it because of its similarity to you-know-what, but not this guy. If someone did try to convince me that Bill says it to be an edgelord, and told me to try using it myself and see how people react, I would no doubt get falsely accused of using it in a bad way myself. That wouldn’t convince me that Bill has bad intentions, it would only reaffirm my existing belief that people can misinterpret innocuous things.
      - danielktdoranie 1y ago
        Funny have done a very similar hand gesture when giving a small speach at a going away party. Anecdotally, I don't have a manager any longer as I have retired from my career due to a chronic illness that has effectively left me disabled BUT I do play a few songs every Friday night (tonight) and I will do the exact same guesture and say exactly what Elon said when I leave :-) Saying “I give you my heart” and then making a gesture of giving the crowd your heart is not a “nazi salute”. If that is a nazi salute then Hillary Clinton and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have both given “nazi salutes”.
    - vel0city 1y ago
      Just one little example: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/starlink-benefits-as-trump-admin-rewrites-rules-for-42b-grant-program/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/starlink-benefit... And it 100% was a Nazi salute. Plain as day. Quit telling people to ignore what their own eyes can see. Him saying a little phrase after doing that gesture doesn't change the gesture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy#/media/File:Elon_Musk_gesture.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy#/... > Imagine being trigger by a department of government finding fraud, waste They're doing nothing of the sort. They'll probably only end up wasting more money than anything they're "saving", which is really "saving" in the same way as not paying your rent is "saving".
  - plagiarist 1y ago
    I recognize their username. I would say it is deliberate that they overlook seriously concerning events in a manner that is patronizing and disrespectful to the people they disagree with.
- tapoxi 1y ago
  Obama wasn't president until January 2009.
  - balamatom 1y ago
    In fact, I'd go so far as to say that he did not exist before January 2009 /s
  - SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
    The fallout was after 2009, thank you though maybe I was remembering it wrong. I wasn’t, and you were making assumptions, but good to check anyhow.
  - SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
    Also, you can remind me who bailed out GM and Chrysler (which again, debatable move).
fwungy 1y ago
New cars have 3G cellular transmitters constantly sending telemetry data. This started becoming common in 2012.
- delfinom 1y ago
  Depends on the brand still. Honda for example only does that to the top tier touring trims because it's part of their remote-remote start offering for that trim (that you have to subscribe to)
- tmerc 1y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37971038 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37971038 4g now. 3g was turned off causing these cars to drain the battery searching for signal.
barbazoo 1y ago
That was way before the musk rat.

SV_BubbleTime 1y ago

No. Not even close. Far closer to Obama and his circle. Around Carpocalypse 2008, a bunch of three letter agencies started pushes for internet connected vehicles knowing the tech wasn’t there; but would be. I watched it happen. There was some shady shit, and the reality was 2008 wasn’t just about GM and Chrysler but and entire JustInTime mistake that could have stopped almost all car production around the world. Different topic, but the effect was government would be involved in cars a lot more than previously. Fast forward, and here we are. Your car ABSOLUTELY is spying on you, and the upside is you also get shipped unfinished vehicles. Be a culture war sally about Musk all you like, I know, the bad men say the mean things. But this isn’t on him. Tesla had to and in some ways is still learning that cars aren’t computers on wheels, but this specific “feature” came from Big Government first.

KPGv2 1y ago
> the bad men say the mean things You really lose all credibility when you downplay the richest man on earth openly bribing voters and the President claiming the man helped rig voting machines, and that same man makes Nazi salutes and goes to Europe and supports the Nazi party in the place where they invented Nazi parties. And then he basically moves into the White House and magically his companies start getting government contracts, while saying empathy is a bad thing and begins eviscerating the government with no oversight. That isn't "bad men saying bad things." But, of course, this very bad man did say some very bad things, too.
- none4methx 1y ago
  There’s no reason it should cost credibility to say that these people are motivated by an enjoyment of the spectacle of their cruelty and do it on purpose. Bad man has a moral connotation as well as a tradecraft connotation. Neither one of you is wrong to use the Bad Man monicker here.
- danielktdoranie 1y ago
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  - ryandrake 1y ago
    If it wasn't a nazi salute, why don't you go into work tomorrow and do it (exactly as Musk did it) in front of your manager, and then let us know what happens.
    - eakspeasy 1y ago
      I’m no fan of Musk, but this is silly. If I thought Musk was being falsely painted as a Nazi due to a gesture made innocuously, doing it myself so other people could falsely call me a Nazi would hardly convince me that Elon was actually a Nazi. Like, I know an erudite person (“Bill”) who uses the word “niggard” as defined (miser), without any ill intentions whatsoever. Maybe there are edgelords who intentionally use it because of its similarity to you-know-what, but not this guy. If someone did try to convince me that Bill says it to be an edgelord, and told me to try using it myself and see how people react, I would no doubt get falsely accused of using it in a bad way myself. That wouldn’t convince me that Bill has bad intentions, it would only reaffirm my existing belief that people can misinterpret innocuous things.
    - danielktdoranie 1y ago
      Funny have done a very similar hand gesture when giving a small speach at a going away party. Anecdotally, I don't have a manager any longer as I have retired from my career due to a chronic illness that has effectively left me disabled BUT I do play a few songs every Friday night (tonight) and I will do the exact same guesture and say exactly what Elon said when I leave :-) Saying “I give you my heart” and then making a gesture of giving the crowd your heart is not a “nazi salute”. If that is a nazi salute then Hillary Clinton and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have both given “nazi salutes”.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    Just one little example: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/starlink-benefits-as-trump-admin-rewrites-rules-for-42b-grant-program/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/starlink-benefit... And it 100% was a Nazi salute. Plain as day. Quit telling people to ignore what their own eyes can see. Him saying a little phrase after doing that gesture doesn't change the gesture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy#/media/File:Elon_Musk_gesture.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy#/... > Imagine being trigger by a department of government finding fraud, waste They're doing nothing of the sort. They'll probably only end up wasting more money than anything they're "saving", which is really "saving" in the same way as not paying your rent is "saving".
- plagiarist 1y ago
  I recognize their username. I would say it is deliberate that they overlook seriously concerning events in a manner that is patronizing and disrespectful to the people they disagree with.
tapoxi 1y ago
Obama wasn't president until January 2009.
- balamatom 1y ago
  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that he did not exist before January 2009 /s
- SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
  The fallout was after 2009, thank you though maybe I was remembering it wrong. I wasn’t, and you were making assumptions, but good to check anyhow.
- SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
  Also, you can remind me who bailed out GM and Chrysler (which again, debatable move).

fwungy 1y ago

New cars have 3G cellular transmitters constantly sending telemetry data. This started becoming common in 2012.

delfinom 1y ago
Depends on the brand still. Honda for example only does that to the top tier touring trims because it's part of their remote-remote start offering for that trim (that you have to subscribe to)
tmerc 1y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37971038 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37971038 4g now. 3g was turned off causing these cars to drain the battery searching for signal.

barbazoo 1y ago

That was way before the musk rat.