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> Israel has a right to annihilate Hamas How should they go about this? What rules should they follow? And when other countries violate these rules, are you co

> Israel has a right to annihilate Hamas How should they go about this? What rules should they follow? And when other countries violate these rules, are you commensurately outraged?

breadwinner 1y ago
Not committing genocide would be a good start. And yes, I am opposed to all genocide.
- settrans 1y ago
  Well I obviously don't believe they are committing genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, why are there more Gazans alive today than this time two years ago? Israel could turn Gaza into a parking lot overnight; why didn't they?
  - breadwinner 1y ago
    Please backup your claim of more Gazans alive today. Gaza is a parking lot. In fact it is worse than a parking lot... it is not possible to park many cars there because of all the fallen buildings. (I am going by what I see on TV... not a single building is seen still left standing.)
    - settrans 1y ago
      Save The Children estimates 50,000 births in Gaza in the first 9 months of the war, when the fighting was the most intense: https://www.savethechildren.net/news/women-self-inducing-labour-and-facing-life-threatening-complications-pregnancy-after-nine https://www.savethechildren.net/news/women-self-inducing-lab... Unless there have been zero births since this article was published, even if you take the 50,000 death estimate from Hamas at face value, the population has increased since the start of the war. Of course, there is reason to suspect the Hamas figures, since they have been systematically manipulated, don't distinguish combatant deaths, don't separate out deaths from natural causes, and don't call out deaths caused by misfired Palestinian rockets. The central camps have been almost totally untouched since the hostages are being kept there: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-804993 https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-804993 (article is a few months old but this is still true). And even outside of these camps, 16+ hospitals remain operational in Gaza despite serving as terror HQ.
      - throwaccount124 1y ago
        > 16+ hospitals remain operational in Gaza No, the last fully functional hospital of Gaza was just bombed yesterday [1] > despite serving as terror HQ This remains to be proven and sounds more like propaganda. > The central camps have been almost totally untouched since the hostages are being kept there: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-804993 https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-804993 This is not what the article says at all. An in any case, if the IDF knew where the hostages were held, why wouldn't they surround these areas and liberate them, instead of terrorizing civilians over and over again on all the territory? > if you take the 50,000 death estimate from Hamas at face value Looking at the following: * the scale of destruction visible on satellite images, drone footage - shown by both parties in the conflict * the quantity of bombs (29,000+ air-dropped bombs according to US intelligence, plus the tank and artillery ammunition) * the population density in the whole Gaza strip * the lack of resources and safety to rescue people and recover bodies from under the rubble after bombing * the lack of food, water, medical supplies, medical staff, ambulances Can we realistically think that the number of casualties could be that low? [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr7l123zy5o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr7l123zy5o
      - frm88 1y ago
        This is the second time you write a comment where you argue that stable birthrate/population numbers contradict genocide. The ICC issued a warrant for Netanyahu on (among others) the grounds of using starvation as a method of warfare [0]. Starvation as a method of warfare is consistent with genocide [1]. These are international legal facts/definitions. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Israeli_leaders https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation_(crime) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation_(crime)

> Israel has a right to annihilate Hamas How should they go about this? What rules should they follow? And when other countries violate these rules, are you commensurately outraged?

breadwinner 1y ago

Not committing genocide would be a good start. And yes, I am opposed to all genocide.

settrans 1y ago
Well I obviously don't believe they are committing genocide. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, why are there more Gazans alive today than this time two years ago? Israel could turn Gaza into a parking lot overnight; why didn't they?
- breadwinner 1y ago
  Please backup your claim of more Gazans alive today. Gaza is a parking lot. In fact it is worse than a parking lot... it is not possible to park many cars there because of all the fallen buildings. (I am going by what I see on TV... not a single building is seen still left standing.)
  - settrans 1y ago
    Save The Children estimates 50,000 births in Gaza in the first 9 months of the war, when the fighting was the most intense: https://www.savethechildren.net/news/women-self-inducing-labour-and-facing-life-threatening-complications-pregnancy-after-nine https://www.savethechildren.net/news/women-self-inducing-lab... Unless there have been zero births since this article was published, even if you take the 50,000 death estimate from Hamas at face value, the population has increased since the start of the war. Of course, there is reason to suspect the Hamas figures, since they have been systematically manipulated, don't distinguish combatant deaths, don't separate out deaths from natural causes, and don't call out deaths caused by misfired Palestinian rockets. The central camps have been almost totally untouched since the hostages are being kept there: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-804993 https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-804993 (article is a few months old but this is still true). And even outside of these camps, 16+ hospitals remain operational in Gaza despite serving as terror HQ.
    - throwaccount124 1y ago
      > 16+ hospitals remain operational in Gaza No, the last fully functional hospital of Gaza was just bombed yesterday [1] > despite serving as terror HQ This remains to be proven and sounds more like propaganda. > The central camps have been almost totally untouched since the hostages are being kept there: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-804993 https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-804993 This is not what the article says at all. An in any case, if the IDF knew where the hostages were held, why wouldn't they surround these areas and liberate them, instead of terrorizing civilians over and over again on all the territory? > if you take the 50,000 death estimate from Hamas at face value Looking at the following: * the scale of destruction visible on satellite images, drone footage - shown by both parties in the conflict * the quantity of bombs (29,000+ air-dropped bombs according to US intelligence, plus the tank and artillery ammunition) * the population density in the whole Gaza strip * the lack of resources and safety to rescue people and recover bodies from under the rubble after bombing * the lack of food, water, medical supplies, medical staff, ambulances Can we realistically think that the number of casualties could be that low? [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr7l123zy5o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr7l123zy5o
    - frm88 1y ago
      This is the second time you write a comment where you argue that stable birthrate/population numbers contradict genocide. The ICC issued a warrant for Netanyahu on (among others) the grounds of using starvation as a method of warfare [0]. Starvation as a method of warfare is consistent with genocide [1]. These are international legal facts/definitions. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Israeli_leaders https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation_(crime) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation_(crime)