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What would have been a proportional response? Is it a numbers game? lets do 2x? 5x? 10x? In the gilad shalit deal Palestinians established the proportion of 1 I

What would have been a proportional response? Is it a numbers game? lets do 2x? 5x? 10x? In the gilad shalit deal Palestinians established the proportion of 1 Israeli to 1027 Palestinians. So on Oct 7 - 1,195 were murdered, by your standards Israel should have killed 1,227,265 Palestinians.

breadwinner 1y ago
First of all, the proportional response should be delivered directly to the source: Iran. There are lots of bad guys in Gaza, but there are lots of innocent people too. Indiscriminately killing everyone is not the solution.
- settrans 1y ago
  A) It's hard to argue that the war in Gaza was indiscriminate when the IDF achieved the highest combatant-to-civilian casualty ratio in the history of urban combat, despite Hamas hiding in tunnels underneath population centers. B) When soldiers flood across your border from a neighboring polity by the thousands, it would be an abdication of sovereignty not to defend against that immediate threat, regardless of the enemy's funding sources.
  - breadwinner 1y ago
    > highest combatant-to-civilian casualty ratio Very hard to believe.
    - settrans 1y ago
      Let's ask the world's leading expert in urban warfare, then: https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286 https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urb... https://www.linkedin.com/posts/johnwspencer2018_israel-has-done-more-to-prevent-civilian-activity-7192388569791930368-8RRL https://www.linkedin.com/posts/johnwspencer2018_israel-has-d... Note the falsification of Hamas casualty figures: https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-quietly-drops-thousands-deaths-122557133.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-quietly-drops-thousands-dea... https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-hamas-manipulates-gaza-fatality-numbers-examining-male-undercount-and-other https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-hama...
    - ryoshoe 1y ago
      It's actually quite believable when you define a combatant as males aged 13+
- TheGuyWhoCodes 1y ago
  You still didn't define what's the proportional response. Come on armchair commander show us your battle plans for Iran. Do we nuke it? Do we destroy all the dams? Do we hit just the nuclear facilities? Or do we eliminate their oil industry? Maybe just all the military bases, oh we forgot all the subterrains rocket facilities, do you want to invade Iraq style? If the IDF would have Indiscriminately killing people then the number would have been 10x, and you know it.

breadwinner 1y ago

First of all, the proportional response should be delivered directly to the source: Iran. There are lots of bad guys in Gaza, but there are lots of innocent people too. Indiscriminately killing everyone is not the solution.

settrans 1y ago
A) It's hard to argue that the war in Gaza was indiscriminate when the IDF achieved the highest combatant-to-civilian casualty ratio in the history of urban combat, despite Hamas hiding in tunnels underneath population centers. B) When soldiers flood across your border from a neighboring polity by the thousands, it would be an abdication of sovereignty not to defend against that immediate threat, regardless of the enemy's funding sources.
- breadwinner 1y ago
  > highest combatant-to-civilian casualty ratio Very hard to believe.
  - settrans 1y ago
    Let's ask the world's leading expert in urban warfare, then: https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286 https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urb... https://www.linkedin.com/posts/johnwspencer2018_israel-has-done-more-to-prevent-civilian-activity-7192388569791930368-8RRL https://www.linkedin.com/posts/johnwspencer2018_israel-has-d... Note the falsification of Hamas casualty figures: https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-quietly-drops-thousands-deaths-122557133.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-quietly-drops-thousands-dea... https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-hamas-manipulates-gaza-fatality-numbers-examining-male-undercount-and-other https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-hama...
  - ryoshoe 1y ago
    It's actually quite believable when you define a combatant as males aged 13+
TheGuyWhoCodes 1y ago
You still didn't define what's the proportional response. Come on armchair commander show us your battle plans for Iran. Do we nuke it? Do we destroy all the dams? Do we hit just the nuclear facilities? Or do we eliminate their oil industry? Maybe just all the military bases, oh we forgot all the subterrains rocket facilities, do you want to invade Iraq style? If the IDF would have Indiscriminately killing people then the number would have been 10x, and you know it.