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There is nothing indiscriminate about attacking Hizbollah pagers. There is however something indiscriminate about attacking civilians like on Oct 7. Targeting

by sfx77 1y ago

There is nothing indiscriminate about attacking Hizbollah pagers. There is however something indiscriminate about attacking civilians like on Oct 7. Targeting civilians as a matter of fact. Even if someone called them "animals" it's hardly equivalent to women being raped and having their breasts cut off, and being stabbed while being raped. That would be "treating" people like animals. Let's not forget who launched this whole war. Hamas.

OhioMan2943 1y ago
There is a strong irony in focusing specifically on the weaponisation of rape in war as an act of terror where the official rabbi of the idf states that rape against palestinians in justified in times of war, and that the idf only has a 1% conviction rate in cases of sexual violences offences against palestinian prisoners by israeli army forces. Even the name of the attack by Hamas "Al-Aqsa flood" is a reference to the decades of persecution and systemic dehumanisation and othering by Israeli forces. The world didn't begin on October 7.
sfx77 1y ago
are you under the impression that 70 years of attacks on Israel are humanitarian? I'm sorry but rape is not ironic. The attacks on Oct 7 were absolutely where this conflict started, as there was a ceasefire or if you want to go further back. How come jews were attacked before zionism? Also Israel is the only party here seeking peace. What's the conviction rate of Hamas rapes? Zero. Also, unlike Hamas, the IDF does not use rape as a tool of war.
- OhioMan2943 1y ago
  How can israel be the only party seeking peace when 90% of the population approved the wars expansion into lebanon, and 90% approved of the renewed offensive, and the use of stronger force in 2025 (israeli democratic/statistical surveys), when Israel broke the ceasefire this year and has taken more territory in the west bank, syria, and now gaza based on recent reports of the new goal of seizing the entirety of rafah. And don't lie about the sanctioning of rape as a tool of war in israel, it is also a society where 50% of don't believe marital rape is an issue, if you want to talk about immorality. https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-taps-chief-rabbi-who-once-seemed-to-permit-wartime-rape/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-taps-chief-rabbi-who-once-... There is only one colonialist expansionist force in the region.
  - sfx77 1y ago
    You are conflating the current conflict with the history of peace accords. Currently Israel wants to get rid of Hamas and rightfully so, after the October 7 attacks. I was referring to the multitude of peace attempts preceding this conflict where Israel conceded above 90% of what the Palestinian leadership wanted more than once, yet the Palestinian leadership refused. "Colonialist expansionist"? How many people speak Hebrew in the middle east? What expansion? If you want to look at an actual colonialist expansionist force you will look to Iran, who funds Hamas, Hizbollah, and the Houthis, they are currently colonizing Lebanon, Syria, and are using the Palestinians as pawns. Israel is a tiny country the size of New Jersey with less than 10 million people. Iran is 90 million people.
Philpax 1y ago
You're right, attacking civilians is bad. So what does it say about a nation when it kills at least fifty thousand? (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)02678-3/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...)
- sfx77 1y ago
  Again, you are not differentiating between targeting and collateral damage. Hamas broke a ceasefire and targeted civilians. Israel went in to destroy Hamas with the unfortunate result of civilians dying as collateral damage. When you say 50k, there are several problems. For starters you are quoting the Gaza Health Ministry which is Hamas and is provably unreliable. On top of that about 40% of those are Hamas fighters, which you are failing to differentiate between. If you take the time to look at urban warfare statistics, you can see that the IDF has put more effort into preserving civilians than any other army. If you don't believe me just reference John Spencer who is the head (and founder I believe) or urban warfare studies at West Point. You're also ignoring the biggest point, which is that Hamas attacked Israel, which pulls Israel into a war they did not want. During the ceasefire, why was there not a push for peace by Hamas? Why did they think murdering innocents, raping teenagers at a music festival, and kidnapping families and babies is the right course of action? It's amazing to me you are defending this in even the most remote sense? Why did Gaza not build itself into a productive economy and instead elect Hamas, a totalitarian religious regime into power? It's a ridiculous argument to even begin to try and make excuses for this.
  - OhioMan2943 1y ago
    Israel authorised 20 civilians to be killed for every 1 hamas fighter at the beginning of the war https://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-military-idf-civilian-casualties-ratio-hamas-972-report-2024-4?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-military-idf-civili.... That's laughably inhumane. Not even russia comes close to this brazen disregard for human life. This is about recognising that all innocent human life is equal, and whichever civilian population is receiving the most suffering deserves the most aid and support consequently. 1 Palestinian life has the same value as 1 Israeli life.

by sfx77 1y ago

OhioMan2943 1y ago

There is a strong irony in focusing specifically on the weaponisation of rape in war as an act of terror where the official rabbi of the idf states that rape against palestinians in justified in times of war, and that the idf only has a 1% conviction rate in cases of sexual violences offences against palestinian prisoners by israeli army forces. Even the name of the attack by Hamas "Al-Aqsa flood" is a reference to the decades of persecution and systemic dehumanisation and othering by Israeli forces. The world didn't begin on October 7.

sfx77 1y ago

are you under the impression that 70 years of attacks on Israel are humanitarian? I'm sorry but rape is not ironic. The attacks on Oct 7 were absolutely where this conflict started, as there was a ceasefire or if you want to go further back. How come jews were attacked before zionism? Also Israel is the only party here seeking peace. What's the conviction rate of Hamas rapes? Zero. Also, unlike Hamas, the IDF does not use rape as a tool of war.

OhioMan2943 1y ago
How can israel be the only party seeking peace when 90% of the population approved the wars expansion into lebanon, and 90% approved of the renewed offensive, and the use of stronger force in 2025 (israeli democratic/statistical surveys), when Israel broke the ceasefire this year and has taken more territory in the west bank, syria, and now gaza based on recent reports of the new goal of seizing the entirety of rafah. And don't lie about the sanctioning of rape as a tool of war in israel, it is also a society where 50% of don't believe marital rape is an issue, if you want to talk about immorality. https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-taps-chief-rabbi-who-once-seemed-to-permit-wartime-rape/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-taps-chief-rabbi-who-once-... There is only one colonialist expansionist force in the region.
- sfx77 1y ago
  You are conflating the current conflict with the history of peace accords. Currently Israel wants to get rid of Hamas and rightfully so, after the October 7 attacks. I was referring to the multitude of peace attempts preceding this conflict where Israel conceded above 90% of what the Palestinian leadership wanted more than once, yet the Palestinian leadership refused. "Colonialist expansionist"? How many people speak Hebrew in the middle east? What expansion? If you want to look at an actual colonialist expansionist force you will look to Iran, who funds Hamas, Hizbollah, and the Houthis, they are currently colonizing Lebanon, Syria, and are using the Palestinians as pawns. Israel is a tiny country the size of New Jersey with less than 10 million people. Iran is 90 million people.

Philpax 1y ago

You're right, attacking civilians is bad. So what does it say about a nation when it kills at least fifty thousand? (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)02678-3/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...)

sfx77 1y ago
Again, you are not differentiating between targeting and collateral damage. Hamas broke a ceasefire and targeted civilians. Israel went in to destroy Hamas with the unfortunate result of civilians dying as collateral damage. When you say 50k, there are several problems. For starters you are quoting the Gaza Health Ministry which is Hamas and is provably unreliable. On top of that about 40% of those are Hamas fighters, which you are failing to differentiate between. If you take the time to look at urban warfare statistics, you can see that the IDF has put more effort into preserving civilians than any other army. If you don't believe me just reference John Spencer who is the head (and founder I believe) or urban warfare studies at West Point. You're also ignoring the biggest point, which is that Hamas attacked Israel, which pulls Israel into a war they did not want. During the ceasefire, why was there not a push for peace by Hamas? Why did they think murdering innocents, raping teenagers at a music festival, and kidnapping families and babies is the right course of action? It's amazing to me you are defending this in even the most remote sense? Why did Gaza not build itself into a productive economy and instead elect Hamas, a totalitarian religious regime into power? It's a ridiculous argument to even begin to try and make excuses for this.
- OhioMan2943 1y ago
  Israel authorised 20 civilians to be killed for every 1 hamas fighter at the beginning of the war https://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-military-idf-civilian-casualties-ratio-hamas-972-report-2024-4?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-military-idf-civili.... That's laughably inhumane. Not even russia comes close to this brazen disregard for human life. This is about recognising that all innocent human life is equal, and whichever civilian population is receiving the most suffering deserves the most aid and support consequently. 1 Palestinian life has the same value as 1 Israeli life.