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Also the administration claims to be "powerless" to free him now. Does anybody believe this? Terrifying. This isn't the only case, how many others are out ther

Also the administration claims to be "powerless" to free him now. Does anybody believe this? Terrifying. This isn't the only case, how many others are out there? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/01/its-a-tradition-outrage-in-venezuela-as-us-deports-makeup-artist-for-religious-tattoos https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/01/its-a-tradit...

milesrout 1y ago
Once you have deported someone it makes sense that they would no longer be under your jurisdiction. Purely logically: they're no longer within it.
- timcobb 1y ago
  Right, but if you've been following the situation since the current administration took office, you would know that if they want something, they're not shy to ask.
  - amarcheschi 1y ago
    Nor it is reasonable to not have processes to get back someone if they're wrongfully deported. Moving fast and breaking things is not acceptable when you're dealing with people's lifes - and i somehow think if a rich white man were to be deported by mistake, he would be brought back quite fast
- nicpottier 1y ago
  Except the administration is paying for these people to be in the El Salvadoran prison. Also, since when is the administration that uses threats of giant tariffs to accomplish its goals powerless to right these wrongs?
- deleted 1y ago
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- UncleMeat 1y ago
  In my opinion, this should be an 8th amendment violation. "We threw you in a pit forever but its not our pit so your legal protections are void" is not good. This isn't just flying somebody to their country of origin and leaving them there. This is flying somebody to an unrelated country and the paying a foreign nation to throw them in an overcrowded prison with no oversight for the rest of their lives.
  - palmotea 1y ago
    > This is flying somebody to an unrelated country and the paying a foreign nation to throw them in an overcrowded prison with no oversight for the rest of their lives. That's true of most of the people the Trump administration are sending to CECOT in El Salvador, but not the guy the article is about: > Abrego Garcia came to the U.S. illegally from El Salvador around 2011, “fleeing gang violence,” according to his lawyers, and made his way to Maryland to join his older brother, a U.S. citizen.
- giraffe_lady 1y ago
  They got andrew tate out of a foreign prison without much trouble so it's just about priorities I think.
- QuantumGood 1y ago
  Backend thought exercise: Do you think they could get back someone they wanted to get back, such as a member of the administration? Do you think they could follow a process that made it easier to get people back?
rayiner 1y ago
He’s an El Salvadoran citizen! He’s in prison because El Salvador believes he’s an MS-13 gang member. If he believes he’s being held wrongfully in El Salvador he can avail himself of the legal procedures of his country. This has nothing to do with the U.S.
- itishappy 1y ago
  Got a source on El Salvador's position? The article states the MS-13 claims come from the US and are unsubstantiated: > The allegations about his affiliation with MS-13 stem from a 2019 arrest outside a Maryland Home Depot store, where he and other young men were looking for work, according to the complaint. They also claim he had legal protections from being deported specifically to El Salvador: > An immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s asylum request in October 2019 but granted him protection from being deported back to El Salvador. > In its court filing on Monday, the Trump administration said ICE “was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador,” but still deported Abrego Garcia “because of an administrative error.” This is the part that concerns the US. Also the part where this is all being paid for by American tax dollars.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    Yes, the “administrative error” relates to the narrow point about the supposed “protection from deportation.” He was ordered deported for gang ties, upheld after an administrative appeal. And his asylum claim was denied. The article omits the information about the immigration judge and Board of Immigration Appeals finding that he was deportable for being an MS13 member, making it seem like the “administrative error” was about that. There is no legitimate reason for any El Salvadoran citizen to receive asylum in the U.S. The country is now safer than Canada. If this guy thinks he is being unlawfully detained, he can avail himself of the legal procedures of his own country.
    - Freak_NL 1y ago
      He is not a citizen of El Salvador, he is Venezuelan. The sole reason he was classed as a member of that criminal organisation are his crown tattoos, and 'secret inside information'. The Guardian article gives some more background, and explains these (catholic) tattoos: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/01/its-a-tradition-outrage-in-venezuela-as-us-deports-makeup-artist-for-religious-tattoos https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/01/its-a-tradit... (Hint: there are legitimate reasons for receiving asylum in the US as well.)
nonrandomstring 1y ago
This is entirely as it is supposed to operate. See Archibald Tuttle [0]. Cowardly, weak little men who would never have the nerve to look another in the eye, are depicted in Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" in a different way to Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four. Whereas the "Thought Police" of the latter are happy to use violence, the grey bureaucrats of Gilliam's world hide behind malfunctioning machinery which is their unpredictable attack dog. As with weapon dogs it is a vicarious instrument which they claim to have "no control over". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(1985_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(1985_film)
- ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
  I feel that Brazil doesn't get enough love. It's my favourite Xmas movie.
duxup 1y ago
There's no honesty in the current administration, legal arguments or otherwise. It's all big talk and false macho garbage and then the next moment victim card when the president complains that people say bad things about him and he needs the legal system to come down on critics ...
- rayiner 1y ago
  You’re complaining about lack of honesty, but you’re talking about an article that fails to mention that this guy was ordered deported in 2019 for gang ties after an administrative appeal. Or that this man immigrated illegally in 2011 but didn’t file an asylum claim until 2018. Or that the immigration judge denied his asylum claim. The information omitted by the AP article completely changes the understanding of what actually happened.
  - duxup 1y ago
    He was ordered deported because he wore a bulls hat and an anonymous informant claimed he was a member of a gang in a city he never lived in? Is that the basis we're talking about?
    - rayiner 1y ago
      If a determination by an immigration judge followed by a BIA appeal isn’t sufficient to deport suspected gang members, how can we enforce our immigration laws at all? Do we need a jury trial with proof beyond a reasonable doubt?
      - giraffe_lady 1y ago
        Seems like probably yes! The rest of our legal system overwhelmingly favors errors that let the guilty go free over ones that punish the nonguilty. Due process is not just for citizens.
        ty6853 1y ago

milesrout 1y ago

Once you have deported someone it makes sense that they would no longer be under your jurisdiction. Purely logically: they're no longer within it.

timcobb 1y ago
Right, but if you've been following the situation since the current administration took office, you would know that if they want something, they're not shy to ask.
- amarcheschi 1y ago
  Nor it is reasonable to not have processes to get back someone if they're wrongfully deported. Moving fast and breaking things is not acceptable when you're dealing with people's lifes - and i somehow think if a rich white man were to be deported by mistake, he would be brought back quite fast
nicpottier 1y ago
Except the administration is paying for these people to be in the El Salvadoran prison. Also, since when is the administration that uses threats of giant tariffs to accomplish its goals powerless to right these wrongs?
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UncleMeat 1y ago
In my opinion, this should be an 8th amendment violation. "We threw you in a pit forever but its not our pit so your legal protections are void" is not good. This isn't just flying somebody to their country of origin and leaving them there. This is flying somebody to an unrelated country and the paying a foreign nation to throw them in an overcrowded prison with no oversight for the rest of their lives.
- palmotea 1y ago
  > This is flying somebody to an unrelated country and the paying a foreign nation to throw them in an overcrowded prison with no oversight for the rest of their lives. That's true of most of the people the Trump administration are sending to CECOT in El Salvador, but not the guy the article is about: > Abrego Garcia came to the U.S. illegally from El Salvador around 2011, “fleeing gang violence,” according to his lawyers, and made his way to Maryland to join his older brother, a U.S. citizen.
giraffe_lady 1y ago
They got andrew tate out of a foreign prison without much trouble so it's just about priorities I think.
QuantumGood 1y ago
Backend thought exercise: Do you think they could get back someone they wanted to get back, such as a member of the administration? Do you think they could follow a process that made it easier to get people back?

rayiner 1y ago

He’s an El Salvadoran citizen! He’s in prison because El Salvador believes he’s an MS-13 gang member. If he believes he’s being held wrongfully in El Salvador he can avail himself of the legal procedures of his country. This has nothing to do with the U.S.

itishappy 1y ago
Got a source on El Salvador's position? The article states the MS-13 claims come from the US and are unsubstantiated: > The allegations about his affiliation with MS-13 stem from a 2019 arrest outside a Maryland Home Depot store, where he and other young men were looking for work, according to the complaint. They also claim he had legal protections from being deported specifically to El Salvador: > An immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia’s asylum request in October 2019 but granted him protection from being deported back to El Salvador. > In its court filing on Monday, the Trump administration said ICE “was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador,” but still deported Abrego Garcia “because of an administrative error.” This is the part that concerns the US. Also the part where this is all being paid for by American tax dollars.
- rayiner 1y ago
  Yes, the “administrative error” relates to the narrow point about the supposed “protection from deportation.” He was ordered deported for gang ties, upheld after an administrative appeal. And his asylum claim was denied. The article omits the information about the immigration judge and Board of Immigration Appeals finding that he was deportable for being an MS13 member, making it seem like the “administrative error” was about that. There is no legitimate reason for any El Salvadoran citizen to receive asylum in the U.S. The country is now safer than Canada. If this guy thinks he is being unlawfully detained, he can avail himself of the legal procedures of his own country.
  - Freak_NL 1y ago
    He is not a citizen of El Salvador, he is Venezuelan. The sole reason he was classed as a member of that criminal organisation are his crown tattoos, and 'secret inside information'. The Guardian article gives some more background, and explains these (catholic) tattoos: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/01/its-a-tradition-outrage-in-venezuela-as-us-deports-makeup-artist-for-religious-tattoos https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/01/its-a-tradit... (Hint: there are legitimate reasons for receiving asylum in the US as well.)

nonrandomstring 1y ago

This is entirely as it is supposed to operate. See Archibald Tuttle [0]. Cowardly, weak little men who would never have the nerve to look another in the eye, are depicted in Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" in a different way to Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four. Whereas the "Thought Police" of the latter are happy to use violence, the grey bureaucrats of Gilliam's world hide behind malfunctioning machinery which is their unpredictable attack dog. As with weapon dogs it is a vicarious instrument which they claim to have "no control over". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(1985_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(1985_film)

ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
I feel that Brazil doesn't get enough love. It's my favourite Xmas movie.

duxup 1y ago

There's no honesty in the current administration, legal arguments or otherwise. It's all big talk and false macho garbage and then the next moment victim card when the president complains that people say bad things about him and he needs the legal system to come down on critics ...

rayiner 1y ago
You’re complaining about lack of honesty, but you’re talking about an article that fails to mention that this guy was ordered deported in 2019 for gang ties after an administrative appeal. Or that this man immigrated illegally in 2011 but didn’t file an asylum claim until 2018. Or that the immigration judge denied his asylum claim. The information omitted by the AP article completely changes the understanding of what actually happened.
- duxup 1y ago
  He was ordered deported because he wore a bulls hat and an anonymous informant claimed he was a member of a gang in a city he never lived in? Is that the basis we're talking about?
  - rayiner 1y ago
    If a determination by an immigration judge followed by a BIA appeal isn’t sufficient to deport suspected gang members, how can we enforce our immigration laws at all? Do we need a jury trial with proof beyond a reasonable doubt?
    - giraffe_lady 1y ago
      Seems like probably yes! The rest of our legal system overwhelmingly favors errors that let the guilty go free over ones that punish the nonguilty. Due process is not just for citizens.
      - ty6853 1y ago