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Theft of what? There was no market for "memes in ghibli style commissioned by the original studio" which would probably cost hundreds if not thousands if hand-d

Theft of what? There was no market for "memes in ghibli style commissioned by the original studio" which would probably cost hundreds if not thousands if hand-drawn. Nobody was going to pay for that. When it became freely available and instantly reproducible, that's the new market.

pjc50 1y ago
It's not truly free though, it's a loss leader for the near-trillion dollar AI industry. If we're asking where the stolen value ends up, I think you can answer "in the NVIDIA share price".
Yizahi 1y ago
Theft of copyrighted data (movies/art), which OAI used for developing their LLM.
- mavhc 1y ago
  Oh, you mean copyright infringement, not theft
  - Yizahi 1y ago
    Unless you live in some anarcho-capitalist society, it is theft, in very simple terms. And I wonder, just where are all those highly successful libertarian societies? The ones who don't need to enforce copyright and where every member of society is creating his own creative art content, movies, songs, games etc. Oh, they have all failed miserably to scammers? Poor people, how I pity them (not).
rchaud 1y ago
I see the neo-Silicon Valley spirit of "regulatory arbitrage as a service" is unwavering. It's promotion for OpenAI's product, without any of the appropriate licensing. 3D printing companies don't provide Lego schematics to sell their products. There's also the small matter of their ex-employee turned copyright whistleblower, who ended up dead: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0el3r2nlko https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0el3r2nlko
melagonster 1y ago
>Nobody was going to pay for that. Japanese artists exist.
freetinker 1y ago
Excellent points both. I need to ponder this…
WhyOhWhyQ 1y ago
It doesn't seem hard to imagine 2-5 years from now when "memes in Ghibli style" turns into "pay us 25 cents and we'll send you a 30 minute cartoon in Ghibli style".

pjc50 1y ago

It's not truly free though, it's a loss leader for the near-trillion dollar AI industry. If we're asking where the stolen value ends up, I think you can answer "in the NVIDIA share price".

Yizahi 1y ago

Theft of copyrighted data (movies/art), which OAI used for developing their LLM.

mavhc 1y ago
Oh, you mean copyright infringement, not theft
- Yizahi 1y ago
  Unless you live in some anarcho-capitalist society, it is theft, in very simple terms. And I wonder, just where are all those highly successful libertarian societies? The ones who don't need to enforce copyright and where every member of society is creating his own creative art content, movies, songs, games etc. Oh, they have all failed miserably to scammers? Poor people, how I pity them (not).

rchaud 1y ago

I see the neo-Silicon Valley spirit of "regulatory arbitrage as a service" is unwavering. It's promotion for OpenAI's product, without any of the appropriate licensing. 3D printing companies don't provide Lego schematics to sell their products. There's also the small matter of their ex-employee turned copyright whistleblower, who ended up dead: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0el3r2nlko https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0el3r2nlko

melagonster 1y ago

>Nobody was going to pay for that. Japanese artists exist.

freetinker 1y ago

Excellent points both. I need to ponder this…

WhyOhWhyQ 1y ago

It doesn't seem hard to imagine 2-5 years from now when "memes in Ghibli style" turns into "pay us 25 cents and we'll send you a 30 minute cartoon in Ghibli style".