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It's becoming acceptable to people because many people increasingly feel their means for change are being suppressed or their voices ignored. This kind of viole
by voidfunc 1y ago
It's becoming acceptable to people because many people increasingly feel their means for change are being suppressed or their voices ignored. This kind of violence is just the beginning. It's what happens when societies start to collapse.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> This kind of violence is just the beginning. It's what happens when societies start to collapse Well, no. It’s what forms popular pretext for expanding police powers. If we get a second or third Mangione, search and arrest powers will have to be expanded.
- ok_dad 1y agoWhy? We have a few thousand murders in the USA each year, why would a few more deaths cause a need for expanded police power when several thousand other deaths didn’t require it?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> why would a few more deaths cause a need for expanded police power when several thousand other deaths didn’t require it? Visibility.
- ok_dad 1y agoSorry, I meant to say, "other than the fact that the additional deaths are rich people." I know that the real reason is "because they are rich and powerful and the cops serve them as masters" but I was curious if you had another reason.
- AngryData 1y agoYou act like police powers haven't been continuously expanded for decades despite crime rates dropping regardless of local police presence.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> like police powers haven't been continuously expanded for decades They have also seen periods of reduction, e.g. in the wake of George Floyd (until the abolish the police nutters took the loudspeaker).
- Teever 1y agoCan you time line that out for me? I didn't follow those events too closely but what you're saying doesn't really line up with how I remember them.
- JumpCrisscross 1y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_reform_in_the_United_States#2010_to_present https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_reform_in_the_United_...
- AngryData 1y agoThe defund police advocacy wasn't really anything of note until George Floyd. You are saying the same movement that caused a reduction is the exact same movement that stopped the reduction? Also George Floyd was in 2020, a few select cities making some minor moves for a few years doesn't make up for decade after decade after decade of rampant expansion of police powers and armaments across the entire nation. I don't see any significant reduction in our prison population despite the consistent drop in crime, a prison population that dwarfs basically most of the rest of the world's prisoner-to-population ratio other than a few small countries that are either notably oppressed or completely politically unstable.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> You are saying the same movement that caused a reduction is the exact same movement that stopped the reduction? Yes. Though there were two movements, a criminal-justice reform movement that went too far with e.g. bail reform. And “defund the police,” which was mostly attention-seeking behaviour that animated a backlash. > don't see any significant reduction in our prison population They’ve been falling for years [1]. Particularly in state prisons. [1] https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/US.html https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/US.html
- Gigachad 1y agoIt makes people on this site uncomfortable because they are seeing that while they build their AI powered debt collectors and insurance denier startups, the general public would celebrate them being shot.