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On what basis do you think 2028 elections will be free and fair? Congress is going to try to mass-disenfranchise women before the 2026 midterms. They've stated

On what basis do you think 2028 elections will be free and fair? Congress is going to try to mass-disenfranchise women before the 2026 midterms. They've stated this on the record. Dems aren't going to gain control of congress in the upcoming special elections. We're totally fucked economically and otherwise unless Democrats in congress -- mainly the Senate -- can get a fucking grip, pay attention to what's happening, and be the opposition party we need.

User23 1y ago
> Congress is going to try to mass-disenfranchise women before the 2026 midterms. They've stated this on the record. What on Earth are you talking about?
- afavour 1y ago
  I assume they are talking about the SAVE act: https://19thnews.org/2025/03/save-act-voting-married-women/ https://19thnews.org/2025/03/save-act-voting-married-women/ > An estimated 69 million American women and 4 million men do not have a birth certificate that matches their current legal name, according to the liberal Center for American Progress.
  - arandomusername 1y ago
    Isn't an ID, like a driving license/passport, enough to vote?
    - afavour 1y ago
      Driving license, no, because non citizens can get one. Passport, yes. But plenty of Americans don’t have a passport. The OP would say these people are being deliberately disenfranchised. Personally I’ve long since given up judging these things based on what I think may or may not be in the hearts of those writing it. We don’t know so it just becomes an endless back and forth. Instead I look to the facts: the SAVE act would make it more difficult for many people to vote, with an aim of stopping those who are unauthorized to vote from doing so. There’s never really been any solid evidence of the latter happening in notable numbers so to me the trade off doesn’t feel worth it. IMO something like the SAVE Act needs to also legislate the process by which a citizen can easily get an ID in order to vote. But it doesn’t, it just says that states would manage it. Given that some states used “literacy tests” to disenfranchise black people not so long ago I personally don’t trust they would all approach ID access in a fair and equal way.
      - int_19h 1y ago
        Slight correction: there's a thing called "enhanced driver license" that some states issue that complies with the relevant federal standards and can serve as proof of citizenship (they are only issued to citizens). It is, in effect, a passport card combined with a driver license on a single card.
      - arandomusername 1y ago
        According to https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs > Yes. All states, the District of Columbia, and the 5 territories are REAL ID compliant and issuing REAL ID compliant driver’s licenses and IDs. I have a DL in US and I'm not a citizen. It says on the license that it's only for driving and not for employment or voter registration. > IMO something like the SAVE Act needs to also legislate the process by which a citizen can easily get an ID in order to vote That sounds like real id to me?
    - fc417fc802 1y ago
      It depends on the state as far as I understand it. You need to be registered as a voter, which requires that you be a citizen. How that is enforced varies. There are also ID requirements at the poll site. Again, those vary. In every state I've lived in voting was in some way (optionally) tied to your driver's license. But the body issuing the license has always known whether or not I was a US citizen so it boils down to the same thing.
  - saxonww 1y ago
    Not to worry! Per the "Preserving and Protecting the Integrity of American Elections" executive order, birth certificates are not valid proof of citizenship for the purposes of voting in a federal election anyway.
- willy_k 1y ago
  I believe they are talking about the SAVE act, which would apparently introduce new requirements for voter registration, supposedly making it so that identification and legal birth names would need to match in order to register to vote which could impact married women. I am not taking a position on the correct interpretation of the act, just stating initial search results.
  - arandomusername 1y ago
    I looked at the act and I don't see anything claiming that ID and legal birth names have to match. Birth certificate only has to be provided if you have no ID showing you were born in US
    - alabastervlog 1y ago
      … what ID shows you were born in the US? I was born here, am a citizen, have a passport, but don’t have such a thing. Aside from my birth certificate. What else is there?
      - antiframe 1y ago
        I don't know about your passport, but my passport has a field for country of birth.
      - kelnos 1y ago
        My passport says I was born in New Jersey. I suspect yours lists your state of birth as well.
        alabastervlog 1y ago
        Yeah, you and the sibling are probably right and I’m just unobservant (if I could remember where the hell it is at the moment I’d verify, but probably it’s in there)
      - arandomusername 1y ago
        Your passport does. According to https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs "Yes. All states, the District of Columbia, and the 5 territories are REAL ID compliant and issuing REAL ID compliant driver’s licenses and IDs." So from my understanding all DLs would qualify too (Except maybe older ones that were issued before real id?)
- ActorNightly 1y ago
  That example is poor justification. Let me give you a better one. Trump can arrest the electoral college members from the blue districts under the guise of election fraud. And if that doesn't work, Vance can just pick his own set of electors. Remember, the Supreme court made it legal for Trump to literally drone strike US citizens without legal recourse. Of course this will cause a bunch of Tumroil, which is good for Trump, because he can just holdon to power. If you think that has no chance in happening, I envy your optimism.
  - moregrist 1y ago
    There are many scenarios that are possible, but this one wouldn’t work for the 2026 midterms. The midterms are Congressional elections. There is no Electoral College. The Electoral College only functions when electing a President.
    - ActorNightly 1y ago
      Well see, but at this point crazy is full on the table and has a definite chance of happening. I legit would not put it past Trump to institute martial law during any elections.
kelnos 1y ago
> Congress is going to try to mass-disenfranchise women before the 2026 midterms. That's only if the SAVE Act passes, or whatever else they dream up passes. The House can pass whatever MAGA wants, but the Senate needs votes from Democrats to clear the filibuster. Unless of course the GOP yet again does what they say they'll never do, and drop the filibuster.
- int_19h 1y ago
  The filibuster is a simple rule, and can be removed by a simple majority vote. I actually expect Republicans to do so soon enough now that their control of the Senate is virtually guaranteed for the foreseeable future, and they are reaping all of the disadvantages of the filibuster without the benefits.

User23 1y ago

> Congress is going to try to mass-disenfranchise women before the 2026 midterms. They've stated this on the record. What on Earth are you talking about?

afavour 1y ago
I assume they are talking about the SAVE act: https://19thnews.org/2025/03/save-act-voting-married-women/ https://19thnews.org/2025/03/save-act-voting-married-women/ > An estimated 69 million American women and 4 million men do not have a birth certificate that matches their current legal name, according to the liberal Center for American Progress.
- arandomusername 1y ago
  Isn't an ID, like a driving license/passport, enough to vote?
  - afavour 1y ago
    Driving license, no, because non citizens can get one. Passport, yes. But plenty of Americans don’t have a passport. The OP would say these people are being deliberately disenfranchised. Personally I’ve long since given up judging these things based on what I think may or may not be in the hearts of those writing it. We don’t know so it just becomes an endless back and forth. Instead I look to the facts: the SAVE act would make it more difficult for many people to vote, with an aim of stopping those who are unauthorized to vote from doing so. There’s never really been any solid evidence of the latter happening in notable numbers so to me the trade off doesn’t feel worth it. IMO something like the SAVE Act needs to also legislate the process by which a citizen can easily get an ID in order to vote. But it doesn’t, it just says that states would manage it. Given that some states used “literacy tests” to disenfranchise black people not so long ago I personally don’t trust they would all approach ID access in a fair and equal way.
    - int_19h 1y ago
      Slight correction: there's a thing called "enhanced driver license" that some states issue that complies with the relevant federal standards and can serve as proof of citizenship (they are only issued to citizens). It is, in effect, a passport card combined with a driver license on a single card.
    - arandomusername 1y ago
      According to https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs > Yes. All states, the District of Columbia, and the 5 territories are REAL ID compliant and issuing REAL ID compliant driver’s licenses and IDs. I have a DL in US and I'm not a citizen. It says on the license that it's only for driving and not for employment or voter registration. > IMO something like the SAVE Act needs to also legislate the process by which a citizen can easily get an ID in order to vote That sounds like real id to me?
  - fc417fc802 1y ago
    It depends on the state as far as I understand it. You need to be registered as a voter, which requires that you be a citizen. How that is enforced varies. There are also ID requirements at the poll site. Again, those vary. In every state I've lived in voting was in some way (optionally) tied to your driver's license. But the body issuing the license has always known whether or not I was a US citizen so it boils down to the same thing.
- saxonww 1y ago
  Not to worry! Per the "Preserving and Protecting the Integrity of American Elections" executive order, birth certificates are not valid proof of citizenship for the purposes of voting in a federal election anyway.
willy_k 1y ago
I believe they are talking about the SAVE act, which would apparently introduce new requirements for voter registration, supposedly making it so that identification and legal birth names would need to match in order to register to vote which could impact married women. I am not taking a position on the correct interpretation of the act, just stating initial search results.
- arandomusername 1y ago
  I looked at the act and I don't see anything claiming that ID and legal birth names have to match. Birth certificate only has to be provided if you have no ID showing you were born in US
  - alabastervlog 1y ago
    … what ID shows you were born in the US? I was born here, am a citizen, have a passport, but don’t have such a thing. Aside from my birth certificate. What else is there?
    - antiframe 1y ago
      I don't know about your passport, but my passport has a field for country of birth.
    - kelnos 1y ago
      My passport says I was born in New Jersey. I suspect yours lists your state of birth as well.
      - alabastervlog 1y ago
        Yeah, you and the sibling are probably right and I’m just unobservant (if I could remember where the hell it is at the moment I’d verify, but probably it’s in there)
    - arandomusername 1y ago
      Your passport does. According to https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs "Yes. All states, the District of Columbia, and the 5 territories are REAL ID compliant and issuing REAL ID compliant driver’s licenses and IDs." So from my understanding all DLs would qualify too (Except maybe older ones that were issued before real id?)
ActorNightly 1y ago
That example is poor justification. Let me give you a better one. Trump can arrest the electoral college members from the blue districts under the guise of election fraud. And if that doesn't work, Vance can just pick his own set of electors. Remember, the Supreme court made it legal for Trump to literally drone strike US citizens without legal recourse. Of course this will cause a bunch of Tumroil, which is good for Trump, because he can just holdon to power. If you think that has no chance in happening, I envy your optimism.
- moregrist 1y ago
  There are many scenarios that are possible, but this one wouldn’t work for the 2026 midterms. The midterms are Congressional elections. There is no Electoral College. The Electoral College only functions when electing a President.
  - ActorNightly 1y ago
    Well see, but at this point crazy is full on the table and has a definite chance of happening. I legit would not put it past Trump to institute martial law during any elections.

kelnos 1y ago

> Congress is going to try to mass-disenfranchise women before the 2026 midterms. That's only if the SAVE Act passes, or whatever else they dream up passes. The House can pass whatever MAGA wants, but the Senate needs votes from Democrats to clear the filibuster. Unless of course the GOP yet again does what they say they'll never do, and drop the filibuster.

int_19h 1y ago
The filibuster is a simple rule, and can be removed by a simple majority vote. I actually expect Republicans to do so soon enough now that their control of the Senate is virtually guaranteed for the foreseeable future, and they are reaping all of the disadvantages of the filibuster without the benefits.