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An impressive achievement indeed. That's exactly what one'd expect from LLM. If someone wants to see/hear what real music is, listen to this, just to get a refe

An impressive achievement indeed. That's exactly what one'd expect from LLM. If someone wants to see/hear what real music is, listen to this, just to get a reference point. This will make you cry. Literally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGaruN5VZPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGaruN5VZPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq3adNifZe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq3adNifZe8

CuriouslyC 1y ago
What is it about classical and jazz fans that makes them so pretentious?
- peterburkimsher 1y ago
  I was expecting another song, which is more likely to elicit an emotional response. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
- resource0x 1y ago
  Please listen to the above pieces once a day (it will take only 4 minutes) for 10 days. Then, while speaking about music, you will sound pretensious to your friends. Please try. (I can send more. This will include jazz certainly. And Beatles... and others. You have to put some effort into it, it will pay off).
  - CuriouslyC 1y ago
    I've been studying music for 10 years, I'm not some 12 year old who's only ever heard pop. Classical music isn't special superior form of art, and people who try to paint it as such tend to be elitists who want to have something to hold over other people to make them feel superior. Kind of like how people latch on to wine to try and seem sophisticated (ironically, wine snobbery has its origin with kings and chieftains of conquered territories trying to fit in with their Roman oppressors, but at least they were cognizant of why they were doing it, unlike modern wine snobs). There's plenty of metal that's far more technical and complex than typical classical music, but you don't see metalheads going around telling people to listen to "real" music.
    - suddenlybananas 1y ago
      People can absolutely be snobs in other genres, it's a super common thing
    - zozbot234 1y ago
      What's special about classical music is merely that it's a literate form of music. It has an underlying "text" (the score) that everyone agrees on, which represents a somewhat abstracted 'blueprint' of the overall work to be performed. A metal piece doesn't really have that: you can transcribe it after the fact to score notation or tablature, but the result is merely one listener's opinion of how that piece "goes". Jazz music has its "lead sheets" but these are intentionally simplified and/or otherwise changed wrt. the source material taken from the "Great American Songbook" rep (which is far closer to the classical tradition than any kind of modern "pop"). This means that classical music, more than other traditions, is a natural target for both broader academic study as well as automated generation by AI's trained on some sort of existing repertoire.
      - zoogeny 1y ago
        I didn't study classical, but I was watching some YouTube channel by someone with graduate degree in classical. He offhand mentioned that many of the "compositions" of guys like Chopin were actually improvisations that were later transcribed. I've heard similar tales of Bach, especially his ability to improvise complex fugues on the spot as a sort of party trick. I just mean to say, I don't think there is a clear divide between a classical mentality for composition and a modern mentality. It is just we study classical hundreds of years after the fact and that academization of the music has lent a particular view to it. If we study metal in a hundred years the same way we study classical (or jazz) it may seem just as rigid.
        Slow_Hand 1y ago
        I’m not sure how useful that framing is because improvisation is effectively composition in real time. By writing down an impromptu or something that was played on the spot it becomes composition when it’s crystallized in this way. Chopin predates audio recording, so it’s not as if someone recorded his performance and then transcribed it like people do today with jazz solos. I’m assuming that Chopin was the one to transcribe and publish after he had a good idea because few would have the recall to do so accurately. Sometimes compositions are generated spontaneously by the composer (one pass) and sometimes they require extensive labor and refinement. It’s not to say that classical music doesn’t also include improvisation, and I agree that there’s not a clear divide between classical mentality and modern sensibilties. Although today, the composition (if not scored) ends up taking it’s final form as an audio recording. More and more the composition exists untranscribed in the DAW session.
-__---____-ZXyw 1y ago
For anyone else tempted to give in to their baser instincts, don't waste your time on the links, it's two very short piano performances. They're good, but it's statistically extremely unlikely that you will shed even a single tear. I am generally in favour of throwing shade on LLM "creativity", at least thus far, but this is an uncomfortably strained flex. Literally.
- zoogeny 1y ago
  I think the "literally cry" thing is a zoomer thing. I watch a lot of YouTube music video channels and the "this made me cry" thing is a meme that shows up with extreme frequency. I don't think we should take it any more seriously than we do "laugh out loud" when the actual response is usually more like a quick exhale.
YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago
Hello fellow emotional music fan. This makes me cry, literally: https://youtu.be/_mIkxdF8zcg?si=blqh5bFUm5MQ3FgZ https://youtu.be/_mIkxdF8zcg?si=blqh5bFUm5MQ3FgZ

CuriouslyC 1y ago

What is it about classical and jazz fans that makes them so pretentious?

peterburkimsher 1y ago
I was expecting another song, which is more likely to elicit an emotional response. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
resource0x 1y ago
Please listen to the above pieces once a day (it will take only 4 minutes) for 10 days. Then, while speaking about music, you will sound pretensious to your friends. Please try. (I can send more. This will include jazz certainly. And Beatles... and others. You have to put some effort into it, it will pay off).
- CuriouslyC 1y ago
  I've been studying music for 10 years, I'm not some 12 year old who's only ever heard pop. Classical music isn't special superior form of art, and people who try to paint it as such tend to be elitists who want to have something to hold over other people to make them feel superior. Kind of like how people latch on to wine to try and seem sophisticated (ironically, wine snobbery has its origin with kings and chieftains of conquered territories trying to fit in with their Roman oppressors, but at least they were cognizant of why they were doing it, unlike modern wine snobs). There's plenty of metal that's far more technical and complex than typical classical music, but you don't see metalheads going around telling people to listen to "real" music.
  - suddenlybananas 1y ago
    People can absolutely be snobs in other genres, it's a super common thing
  - zozbot234 1y ago
    What's special about classical music is merely that it's a literate form of music. It has an underlying "text" (the score) that everyone agrees on, which represents a somewhat abstracted 'blueprint' of the overall work to be performed. A metal piece doesn't really have that: you can transcribe it after the fact to score notation or tablature, but the result is merely one listener's opinion of how that piece "goes". Jazz music has its "lead sheets" but these are intentionally simplified and/or otherwise changed wrt. the source material taken from the "Great American Songbook" rep (which is far closer to the classical tradition than any kind of modern "pop"). This means that classical music, more than other traditions, is a natural target for both broader academic study as well as automated generation by AI's trained on some sort of existing repertoire.
    - zoogeny 1y ago
      I didn't study classical, but I was watching some YouTube channel by someone with graduate degree in classical. He offhand mentioned that many of the "compositions" of guys like Chopin were actually improvisations that were later transcribed. I've heard similar tales of Bach, especially his ability to improvise complex fugues on the spot as a sort of party trick. I just mean to say, I don't think there is a clear divide between a classical mentality for composition and a modern mentality. It is just we study classical hundreds of years after the fact and that academization of the music has lent a particular view to it. If we study metal in a hundred years the same way we study classical (or jazz) it may seem just as rigid.
      - Slow_Hand 1y ago
        I’m not sure how useful that framing is because improvisation is effectively composition in real time. By writing down an impromptu or something that was played on the spot it becomes composition when it’s crystallized in this way. Chopin predates audio recording, so it’s not as if someone recorded his performance and then transcribed it like people do today with jazz solos. I’m assuming that Chopin was the one to transcribe and publish after he had a good idea because few would have the recall to do so accurately. Sometimes compositions are generated spontaneously by the composer (one pass) and sometimes they require extensive labor and refinement. It’s not to say that classical music doesn’t also include improvisation, and I agree that there’s not a clear divide between classical mentality and modern sensibilties. Although today, the composition (if not scored) ends up taking it’s final form as an audio recording. More and more the composition exists untranscribed in the DAW session.

-__---____-ZXyw 1y ago

For anyone else tempted to give in to their baser instincts, don't waste your time on the links, it's two very short piano performances. They're good, but it's statistically extremely unlikely that you will shed even a single tear. I am generally in favour of throwing shade on LLM "creativity", at least thus far, but this is an uncomfortably strained flex. Literally.

zoogeny 1y ago
I think the "literally cry" thing is a zoomer thing. I watch a lot of YouTube music video channels and the "this made me cry" thing is a meme that shows up with extreme frequency. I don't think we should take it any more seriously than we do "laugh out loud" when the actual response is usually more like a quick exhale.

YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago

Hello fellow emotional music fan. This makes me cry, literally: https://youtu.be/_mIkxdF8zcg?si=blqh5bFUm5MQ3FgZ https://youtu.be/_mIkxdF8zcg?si=blqh5bFUm5MQ3FgZ