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You can have a very usable phone with https://f-droid.org/ https://f-droid.org/ Obviously, you will be able to find plenty of examples of things that don't wor

by ewzimm 1y ago

You can have a very usable phone with https://f-droid.org/ https://f-droid.org/ Obviously, you will be able to find plenty of examples of things that don't work, and you probably have a bank app or some other thing that you need Google for, but alternatives do exist, and I'd argue that you can have a healthier, more productive, and more enjoyable experience if you can have all your needs met by software that isn't treating you as a product. My opinion is you should use whatever works; I do. But try not to absolutely need software that you can't control.

bitsandboots 1y ago
As you say, due to banking, this works more or less depending on which country you live in. Some countries have tied their banking to their phones, with apps that use SafetyNet to check how Googled you are. Somehow corporations and nations have given sovereignty away for convenience and so you may need 2 phones: the google one and the good one, to properly be f-droid only.
- tonyhart7 1y ago
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  - bitsandboots 1y ago
    I agree with you that most consumers probably do want things that are bad for them. I would at least be cautious of services provided by one of the companies with the most anti-trust lawsuits this century, I really don't think they're your friend.
    - tonyhart7 1y ago
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      - ewzimm 1y ago
        It’s dangerous to assume so much as this about the thoughts of someone on comments, but let me offer a supporting opinion to the other point: People like things to be consistent and reliable. When we’re talking about technology, they probably don’t know what specific coding or licensing or development practices lead to that, but they know that they don’t like it when something they use gets worse over time. When things they use everyday change at the whim of one company that has full control, they don’t always like it. Having software that’s free to modify and distribute makes it so people will always have options and not depend on one company or another having the same opinions about what makes software good.
        tonyhart7 1y ago
        "Having software that’s free to modify and distribute makes it so people will always have options and not depend on one company or another having the same opinions about what makes software good" Yeah its called android, company like samsung,xiaomi,huawei etc literally modify android and its come out of the box with the phone are you saying that android without google is the answer since android is still google, saying you dont want google but still using android is not really live up to the opinion since google can change android core anyway
        ewzimm 1y ago
        This isn’t about wanting or not wanting Google but wanting freedom. I don’t avoid Google completely, but I don’t want to be dependent on them. I always want to have free and open alternatives to what they provide. The AOSP works for those different companies because it’s free to modify. Huawei had to move away from Android (still using parts) because Google services were not free or available to them. That was fine because at least the core parts remained free. If the basic functions of life like paying for things don’t work without Google, it’s a problem. That’s bad for people and too much pressure for Google to do the right thing for people who have different needs.
        tonyhart7 1y ago

by ewzimm 1y ago

bitsandboots 1y ago

As you say, due to banking, this works more or less depending on which country you live in. Some countries have tied their banking to their phones, with apps that use SafetyNet to check how Googled you are. Somehow corporations and nations have given sovereignty away for convenience and so you may need 2 phones: the google one and the good one, to properly be f-droid only.

tonyhart7 1y ago
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- bitsandboots 1y ago
  I agree with you that most consumers probably do want things that are bad for them. I would at least be cautious of services provided by one of the companies with the most anti-trust lawsuits this century, I really don't think they're your friend.
  - tonyhart7 1y ago
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    - ewzimm 1y ago
      It’s dangerous to assume so much as this about the thoughts of someone on comments, but let me offer a supporting opinion to the other point: People like things to be consistent and reliable. When we’re talking about technology, they probably don’t know what specific coding or licensing or development practices lead to that, but they know that they don’t like it when something they use gets worse over time. When things they use everyday change at the whim of one company that has full control, they don’t always like it. Having software that’s free to modify and distribute makes it so people will always have options and not depend on one company or another having the same opinions about what makes software good.
      - tonyhart7 1y ago
        "Having software that’s free to modify and distribute makes it so people will always have options and not depend on one company or another having the same opinions about what makes software good" Yeah its called android, company like samsung,xiaomi,huawei etc literally modify android and its come out of the box with the phone are you saying that android without google is the answer since android is still google, saying you dont want google but still using android is not really live up to the opinion since google can change android core anyway
        ewzimm 1y ago
        This isn’t about wanting or not wanting Google but wanting freedom. I don’t avoid Google completely, but I don’t want to be dependent on them. I always want to have free and open alternatives to what they provide. The AOSP works for those different companies because it’s free to modify. Huawei had to move away from Android (still using parts) because Google services were not free or available to them. That was fine because at least the core parts remained free. If the basic functions of life like paying for things don’t work without Google, it’s a problem. That’s bad for people and too much pressure for Google to do the right thing for people who have different needs.
        tonyhart7 1y ago