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Imagine if [fanboy] doesn't cherry pick from the last 20 years and talks about the [article].

by stone2020 14y ago

ctdonath 14y ago
Cherry pick? Apple has a long history of removing what most users don't use. RS-232, Centronix ("printer"), FireWire, VGA, Ethernet, and various other ports have all been dropped over time. Floppy (both 5.25" & 3.5"), CD, DVD, and probably other media (escaping me) support gone. Blu-ray in effect dropped before even included. Likewise, various software support has been eradicated over time as use dwindled to more-hassle-than-it's-worth status. When dropped, everything still was available those needing it, provided by easy/cheap add-ons & installs. Users do well to wean off HyperCard, X11, and other things which cling to a double-digit past. Contrast that with the Dell box on my desk right now, which still has every physical port mentioned above, plus 2 PS/2 (!!!) plugs, an eSATA port, and an I-don't-know-what; the software running thereon (Windows) will _still_ run darned near everything I've accumulated over the last 30 years. ..._WHY_ do I want to run darned near everything I've accumulated over the last 30 years? No wonder this two-cubic-foot boat anchor has a Geekbench score lower than a barely-there MacBook Air.
- smackfu 14y ago
  >Apple has a long history of removing what most users don't use. Apple has a long history of removing what they think users shouldn't use.
  - nicholassmith 14y ago
    And they're generally right as well.
    - derleth 14y ago
      Tell that to jwz: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/07/apple-dicks/ http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/07/apple-dicks/ The fact it was eventually resolved changes nothing about how idiotic the process to that point was.
      - nicholassmith 14y ago
        That was an app store thing, not a hardware decision.
      - mikeash 14y ago
        How is that in any way related to this conversation?
        derleth 14y ago
        It's Apple proactively removing things from one of their products. They decided that XScreensaver was not something they wanted to allow and invented reasons to not allow it. Until they changed their minds.
        mikeash 14y ago
        The conversation was about Apple removing built-in hardware from their computers when making new models, not about Apple blocking third-party software.

Imagine if [fanboy] doesn't cherry pick from the last 20 years and talks about the [article].

Cherry pick? Apple has a long history of removing what most users don't use. RS-232, Centronix ("printer"), FireWire, VGA, Ethernet, and various other ports have all been dropped over time. Floppy (both 5.25" & 3.5"), CD, DVD, and probably other media (escaping me) support gone. Blu-ray in effect dropped before even included. Likewise, various software support has been eradicated over time as use dwindled to more-hassle-than-it's-worth status. When dropped, everything still was available those needing it, provided by easy/cheap add-ons & installs. Users do well to wean off HyperCard, X11, and other things which cling to a double-digit past. Contrast that with the Dell box on my desk right now, which still has every physical port mentioned above, plus 2 PS/2 (!!!) plugs, an eSATA port, and an I-don't-know-what; the software running thereon (Windows) will _still_ run darned near everything I've accumulated over the last 30 years. ..._WHY_ do I want to run darned near everything I've accumulated over the last 30 years? No wonder this two-cubic-foot boat anchor has a Geekbench score lower than a barely-there MacBook Air.

smackfu 14y ago
>Apple has a long history of removing what most users don't use. Apple has a long history of removing what they think users shouldn't use.
- nicholassmith 14y ago
  And they're generally right as well.
  - derleth 14y ago
    Tell that to jwz: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/07/apple-dicks/ http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/07/apple-dicks/ The fact it was eventually resolved changes nothing about how idiotic the process to that point was.
    - nicholassmith 14y ago
      That was an app store thing, not a hardware decision.
    - mikeash 14y ago
      How is that in any way related to this conversation?
      - derleth 14y ago
        It's Apple proactively removing things from one of their products. They decided that XScreensaver was not something they wanted to allow and invented reasons to not allow it. Until they changed their minds.
        mikeash 14y ago
        The conversation was about Apple removing built-in hardware from their computers when making new models, not about Apple blocking third-party software.