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She should sell it, it's important to make people who may have been "a-political" before aware of what's going on.

by m3rc 2y ago

genewitch 2y ago
Also sell toyota, nissan, folksvagen, Audi. Right? For the same reasons? Glad I roll American coal! ETA: i haven't driven a diesel in ~20 years, and it wasn't rolling coal. we have two japanese cars. If you can't detect the irony and self-deprecation in this comment, just move on.
HolyLampshade 2y ago
I’m not sure I follow the logic here. Let’s say a person owns a Tesla outright, and purchased it ignorant to Elon’s behavior (esp if prior to the last year or two). How does selling it benefit some cause? Tesla already has that person’s money. It’s purely a performative action?
- billyp-rva 2y ago
  > Tesla already has that person’s money. It’s purely a performative action? Car companies care deeply about resale value, since that directly impacts new car value.
- hexator 2y ago
  Teslas require constant maintenance (like all cars, plus the recalls) and many have a subscription, it's not performative. Each Tesla owner is an asset to them post-sale.
  - kshmir 2y ago
    Says someone who never owned a Tesla.
  - Workaccount2 2y ago
    And selling your Tesla to someone else addresses that issue how?
    - genewitch 2y ago
      there is/was a meme going around "boston tesla party" and i think if people are serious they should dismantle the teslas they bought, and (freely) recycle all the parts. Just take the L; otherwise this is, in fact, performative. In fact, i'll propose this to HN. You have your tesla that you can "no longer, in good faith, continue to own" delivered to a lot i specify, and i'll livestream a team of people taking it apart, sorting it, and sending the pieces off to recycling. I will not pay you for your tesla, and you must include the pink slip. any takers? I am completely serious. I think it would be fun (for me to set up and watch), it would probably be a well-viewed stream and VoD for each car, you could share the links with friends and family to show the strength of your convictions. It's win-win-win; Tesla already got their money, recycling is good for the earth, and you get to make a statement. I also win because i will pay the team that dismantles the car with the proceeds from recycling, which makes me a job creator.
      - tekknik 2y ago
        why don’t you use your money and go buy one and do this instead of someone else taking a loss for you? you can even get great deals on leases you can buy at the end. come on, it’s only $50k, what’s the big deal?
        defrost 2y ago
        You may have misunderstood the coment you replied to. It's directed at others that want to performatively demonstrate getting rid of their Tesla, there's no claim that genewitch wants to rid the world of Tesla's, just an offer to provide a team and a channel for those that are prepared to go the whole way. Think of it as a "put up or shut up" challenge.
- mayneack 2y ago
  Destroying the market for used Teslas and the brand harms Elon Musk's personal wealth which he uses to achieve his personal political goals. Now you may or may not agree with that as a method, but the logic is straightforward.
Astronaut3315 2y ago
It's not reasonable to expect someone to sell their primary mode of transportation, likely at a loss, for reasons out of their control.
- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  But we have to suffer for their inaction. They have some small power to fight against it and are choosing not to. It's reasonable to watch people suffer or die but not to sell your car?
  - Astronaut3315 2y ago
    Would someone be expected to sell their home because the builder did something unsavory? Where do we draw the line?
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      > Where do we draw the line That's what we're finding out in real time. A house signifies a one time purchase for a builder, whereas a Tesla is not only a moving advertisement but normally comes with a subscription service for maintenance and support, so the connection to and enablement of the company continues after purchase and through use. Selling your house also wouldn't affect the power of the builder because his payment comes as a single packet after completing the contracted work, whereas Musk's power is supported by the stock value of his various companies and Tesla's stock price is connected to the value of their cars which is in Oost predicated on having a good resale value. If people rush to sell their Teslas then these values are negatively affected. Finally the question about the builder is A) hypothetical while the Tesla situation is actually unfolding before us today, and B) aan unfair comparison because it's unlikely a tradesman will amass so much influence that his "unsavory" acts could lead to changing the power balances in warzones, shaking the foundations of American democracy, dismantling the relations that our treaty and security organisations are built upon etc etc etc.
browningstreet 2y ago
People are usually upside down on vehicle purchases for at least half of their finance period. I know I am.. there's no selling my Tesla at this point. Not for a while, and probably not ever, the way things are going. That said, I'm 100% for tanking TSLA stock down to $110 to make life very very miserable for Musk..
- Marsymars 2y ago
  Why $110 specifically?
  - browningstreet 2y ago
    I was looking for support for what I wrote, but the margin call details may have been debunked.. https://www.thestreet.com/technology/tesla-stock-declines-could-cost-elon-musk-something-important https://www.thestreet.com/technology/tesla-stock-declines-co...
KolmogorovComp 2y ago
What’s your advice to the person who’d buy it then? Sell it again?
- raisedbyninjas 2y ago
  There's value in the parts and eventually there will be scrap value.

She should sell it, it's important to make people who may have been "a-political" before aware of what's going on.

by m3rc 2y ago

She should sell it, it's important to make people who may have been "a-political" before aware of what's going on.

Also sell toyota, nissan, folksvagen, Audi. Right? For the same reasons? Glad I roll American coal! ETA: i haven't driven a diesel in ~20 years, and it wasn't rolling coal. we have two japanese cars. If you can't detect the irony and self-deprecation in this comment, just move on.

HolyLampshade 2y ago

I’m not sure I follow the logic here. Let’s say a person owns a Tesla outright, and purchased it ignorant to Elon’s behavior (esp if prior to the last year or two). How does selling it benefit some cause? Tesla already has that person’s money. It’s purely a performative action?

billyp-rva 2y ago
> Tesla already has that person’s money. It’s purely a performative action? Car companies care deeply about resale value, since that directly impacts new car value.
hexator 2y ago
Teslas require constant maintenance (like all cars, plus the recalls) and many have a subscription, it's not performative. Each Tesla owner is an asset to them post-sale.
- kshmir 2y ago
  Says someone who never owned a Tesla.
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  And selling your Tesla to someone else addresses that issue how?
  - genewitch 2y ago
    there is/was a meme going around "boston tesla party" and i think if people are serious they should dismantle the teslas they bought, and (freely) recycle all the parts. Just take the L; otherwise this is, in fact, performative. In fact, i'll propose this to HN. You have your tesla that you can "no longer, in good faith, continue to own" delivered to a lot i specify, and i'll livestream a team of people taking it apart, sorting it, and sending the pieces off to recycling. I will not pay you for your tesla, and you must include the pink slip. any takers? I am completely serious. I think it would be fun (for me to set up and watch), it would probably be a well-viewed stream and VoD for each car, you could share the links with friends and family to show the strength of your convictions. It's win-win-win; Tesla already got their money, recycling is good for the earth, and you get to make a statement. I also win because i will pay the team that dismantles the car with the proceeds from recycling, which makes me a job creator.
    - tekknik 2y ago
      why don’t you use your money and go buy one and do this instead of someone else taking a loss for you? you can even get great deals on leases you can buy at the end. come on, it’s only $50k, what’s the big deal?
      - defrost 2y ago
        You may have misunderstood the coment you replied to. It's directed at others that want to performatively demonstrate getting rid of their Tesla, there's no claim that genewitch wants to rid the world of Tesla's, just an offer to provide a team and a channel for those that are prepared to go the whole way. Think of it as a "put up or shut up" challenge.
mayneack 2y ago
Destroying the market for used Teslas and the brand harms Elon Musk's personal wealth which he uses to achieve his personal political goals. Now you may or may not agree with that as a method, but the logic is straightforward.

Astronaut3315 2y ago

It's not reasonable to expect someone to sell their primary mode of transportation, likely at a loss, for reasons out of their control.

AlecSchueler 2y ago
But we have to suffer for their inaction. They have some small power to fight against it and are choosing not to. It's reasonable to watch people suffer or die but not to sell your car?
- Astronaut3315 2y ago
  Would someone be expected to sell their home because the builder did something unsavory? Where do we draw the line?
  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    > Where do we draw the line That's what we're finding out in real time. A house signifies a one time purchase for a builder, whereas a Tesla is not only a moving advertisement but normally comes with a subscription service for maintenance and support, so the connection to and enablement of the company continues after purchase and through use. Selling your house also wouldn't affect the power of the builder because his payment comes as a single packet after completing the contracted work, whereas Musk's power is supported by the stock value of his various companies and Tesla's stock price is connected to the value of their cars which is in Oost predicated on having a good resale value. If people rush to sell their Teslas then these values are negatively affected. Finally the question about the builder is A) hypothetical while the Tesla situation is actually unfolding before us today, and B) aan unfair comparison because it's unlikely a tradesman will amass so much influence that his "unsavory" acts could lead to changing the power balances in warzones, shaking the foundations of American democracy, dismantling the relations that our treaty and security organisations are built upon etc etc etc.

browningstreet 2y ago

People are usually upside down on vehicle purchases for at least half of their finance period. I know I am.. there's no selling my Tesla at this point. Not for a while, and probably not ever, the way things are going. That said, I'm 100% for tanking TSLA stock down to $110 to make life very very miserable for Musk..

Marsymars 2y ago
Why $110 specifically?
- browningstreet 2y ago
  I was looking for support for what I wrote, but the margin call details may have been debunked.. https://www.thestreet.com/technology/tesla-stock-declines-could-cost-elon-musk-something-important https://www.thestreet.com/technology/tesla-stock-declines-co...

KolmogorovComp 2y ago

What’s your advice to the person who’d buy it then? Sell it again?

raisedbyninjas 2y ago
There's value in the parts and eventually there will be scrap value.