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This will be harder-when AWS (and the others follow) launch the EU sovereign cloud[0] Word is that it'll be run similar to the top secret (lol) cloud [1] that

This will be harder-when AWS (and the others follow) launch the EU sovereign cloud[0] Word is that it'll be run similar to the top secret (lol) cloud [1] that they run for the USA 3 letter agencies. [0] https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/europe-digital-sovereignty/ https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/europe-digital-sovereignty... [1] https://aws.amazon.com/federal/top-secret-cloud/ https://aws.amazon.com/federal/top-secret-cloud/

zoul 2y ago
The author addresses this in the text: > There are also false prophets—we all want quick solutions, and sometimes we get (too) excited about people who promise them. For example, in Germany, some claim they have “made Microsoft’s cloud European” through SAP. However, this turns out to be not quite the case. If the U.S. refuses to cooperate, they (by their own admission) would be down within a few months. Amazon also claims they are going to do something similar, but they’ve been saying that for years, and they conveniently avoid addressing what happens in case of a conflict with the U.S.
- XorNot 2y ago
  An EU sovereign cloud by Amazon though would be built in the EU and staffed by EU employees though. The effect of the US trying to insist it won't co-operate would be similar to what happened to most Russian based American franchise locations: troublesome but it's not like the facilities, people or inventory just vanished.
  - cheeseface 2y ago
    All proprietary software that runs in the cloud would vanish.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - gmueckl 2y ago
      Well, that's why code escrow exists as a scheme.
  - jajko 2y ago
    Make all tech knowledge available, spin it into another completely separate company with 0 ties to the parent and then we can actually start talking. Rest is fluff and PR.
  - brabel 2y ago
    > An EU sovereign cloud by Amazon though would be built in the EU and staffed by EU employees though. At that point, why is Amazon needed? Don't we really have the expertise and capital to do this in Europe without Amazon (or Google, MSFT)? I somehow doubt that very much.
kortilla 2y ago
> top secret (lol) cloud [1] Not sure what the “lol” is for there. They aren’t saying the cloud is top secret. It’s qualified to work with top secret data.
grumpy-de-sre 2y ago
Did you know alibaba cloud has a GDPR compliant datacenter in frankfurt [1]. 1. https://www.alibabacloud.com/en/press-room/alibaba-cloud-launches-third-datacentre-in-germany?_p_lc=1 https://www.alibabacloud.com/en/press-room/alibaba-cloud-lau...

zoul 2y ago

The author addresses this in the text: > There are also false prophets—we all want quick solutions, and sometimes we get (too) excited about people who promise them. For example, in Germany, some claim they have “made Microsoft’s cloud European” through SAP. However, this turns out to be not quite the case. If the U.S. refuses to cooperate, they (by their own admission) would be down within a few months. Amazon also claims they are going to do something similar, but they’ve been saying that for years, and they conveniently avoid addressing what happens in case of a conflict with the U.S.

XorNot 2y ago
An EU sovereign cloud by Amazon though would be built in the EU and staffed by EU employees though. The effect of the US trying to insist it won't co-operate would be similar to what happened to most Russian based American franchise locations: troublesome but it's not like the facilities, people or inventory just vanished.
- cheeseface 2y ago
  All proprietary software that runs in the cloud would vanish.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - gmueckl 2y ago
    Well, that's why code escrow exists as a scheme.
- jajko 2y ago
  Make all tech knowledge available, spin it into another completely separate company with 0 ties to the parent and then we can actually start talking. Rest is fluff and PR.
- brabel 2y ago
  > An EU sovereign cloud by Amazon though would be built in the EU and staffed by EU employees though. At that point, why is Amazon needed? Don't we really have the expertise and capital to do this in Europe without Amazon (or Google, MSFT)? I somehow doubt that very much.

kortilla 2y ago

> top secret (lol) cloud [1] Not sure what the “lol” is for there. They aren’t saying the cloud is top secret. It’s qualified to work with top secret data.

grumpy-de-sre 2y ago

Did you know alibaba cloud has a GDPR compliant datacenter in frankfurt [1]. 1. https://www.alibabacloud.com/en/press-room/alibaba-cloud-launches-third-datacentre-in-germany?_p_lc=1 https://www.alibabacloud.com/en/press-room/alibaba-cloud-lau...