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We have very different experiences then. Don't know what to tell you. Every interaction I've had with a rust programmer has led me to believe they are a toxic

by chjj 2y ago

We have very different experiences then. Don't know what to tell you. Every interaction I've had with a rust programmer has led me to believe they are a toxic community of cultists. It's unlike any programming community I've seen.

scns 2y ago
> Every interaction I've had with a rust programmer has led me to believe they are a toxic community of cultists. Since the brain rates negative experiences more highly, it may have you believe such a generalisation, no?
eru 2y ago
I use Rust reasonably often. It's a decent language. Mostly more bearable than eg C++ or Go. > It's unlike any programming community I've seen. Oh, you clearly haven't hung out with the Haskellers in their prime.
simonask 2y ago
I mean, aren't you having such an interaction right now? Do you find this discussion toxic?
- pdimitar 2y ago
  What I find toxic is the claim of zealotry when I can't see any, not on HN anyway. So I called the poster out to show proof. So far there's none, except one Twitter post (because we all know that's the best technical discussion forum on the planet, clearly) which does not surprise me at all. So they are the ones who get triggered by something that does not exist. That is what is toxic. If you go around claiming fantasies and people call you out then that falls more under curiosity and discussion. Not toxicity.
- chjj 2y ago
  I wouldn't go so far as to say toxic in this case, but their reaction to me having a differing opinion is certainly characteristic of rust developer pathology. Not sure why rust attracts these people. This phenomenon should probably be studied.
  - mplanchard 2y ago
    I think “impulse to defend a community you’re a part of when you feel it is being unfairly maligned” is a pretty standard human response pattern.
  - pdimitar 2y ago
    - Insult a group with generalization - Members of the group respond non-kindly - "Help! I am being repressed!" I mean, maybe you should try more balanced take next time. Just a thought.
    - chjj 2y ago
      I don't ever recall saying I'm being repressed. Could you point out where I said that? If you're referring to my above post, I'm pointing out that you're having a very emotional reaction to what I'm saying. That's typically what I see from rust developers.
      - pdimitar 2y ago
        Where do you see emotional reaction? All I do in each reply is point out how you generalize and get surprised that you are being called out. No emotional reactions. Show me where they are?
        chjj 2y ago
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        pdimitar 2y ago
        I am not upset with anything. That would imply I care what you think. What I dislike, if we can even call it that, is that you misrepresent intentionally and are falling victim to extremely easy to avoid ego trips like claiming that your anecdotal evidence is universal. That is not OK and is not intellectually fair. Be intellectually fair. If you are not then I posit that you don't belong in tech as you have no scientific and analytic approach to things. That's my takeaway here. You have left an extensive record of your bias in multiple comments. Including purposeful deflection and projection, as you try to make it out that I react emotionally. Which is false. You seem like a lost cause though. So bye.
pdimitar 2y ago
Very weird. Maybe you can point us at these "every interaction" so we can see for ourselves? Toxic people are everywhere on the net. That's not an interesting insight. If you point us at some lunatic on Twitter who loses their marbles over everything, that's not interesting either. Do you get trolled on actual technical forums though?
- chjj 2y ago
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  - pdimitar 2y ago
    One lunatic. Not a community full of them. I've been communicating with the "community" for years. Worst I saw was 2-3 people like the one you linked to, and a few more on Rust Users Forum that can be a bit gatekeep-ish at times. For 4-5 years in total. Do the math on averages. It is interesting how you can't see that you are inflating one nut case and extrapolating to an entire community.

by chjj 2y ago

scns 2y ago

> Every interaction I've had with a rust programmer has led me to believe they are a toxic community of cultists. Since the brain rates negative experiences more highly, it may have you believe such a generalisation, no?

eru 2y ago

I use Rust reasonably often. It's a decent language. Mostly more bearable than eg C++ or Go. > It's unlike any programming community I've seen. Oh, you clearly haven't hung out with the Haskellers in their prime.

simonask 2y ago

I mean, aren't you having such an interaction right now? Do you find this discussion toxic?

pdimitar 2y ago
What I find toxic is the claim of zealotry when I can't see any, not on HN anyway. So I called the poster out to show proof. So far there's none, except one Twitter post (because we all know that's the best technical discussion forum on the planet, clearly) which does not surprise me at all. So they are the ones who get triggered by something that does not exist. That is what is toxic. If you go around claiming fantasies and people call you out then that falls more under curiosity and discussion. Not toxicity.
chjj 2y ago
I wouldn't go so far as to say toxic in this case, but their reaction to me having a differing opinion is certainly characteristic of rust developer pathology. Not sure why rust attracts these people. This phenomenon should probably be studied.
- mplanchard 2y ago
  I think “impulse to defend a community you’re a part of when you feel it is being unfairly maligned” is a pretty standard human response pattern.
- pdimitar 2y ago
  - Insult a group with generalization - Members of the group respond non-kindly - "Help! I am being repressed!" I mean, maybe you should try more balanced take next time. Just a thought.
  - chjj 2y ago
    I don't ever recall saying I'm being repressed. Could you point out where I said that? If you're referring to my above post, I'm pointing out that you're having a very emotional reaction to what I'm saying. That's typically what I see from rust developers.
    - pdimitar 2y ago
      Where do you see emotional reaction? All I do in each reply is point out how you generalize and get surprised that you are being called out. No emotional reactions. Show me where they are?
      - chjj 2y ago
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        pdimitar 2y ago
        I am not upset with anything. That would imply I care what you think. What I dislike, if we can even call it that, is that you misrepresent intentionally and are falling victim to extremely easy to avoid ego trips like claiming that your anecdotal evidence is universal. That is not OK and is not intellectually fair. Be intellectually fair. If you are not then I posit that you don't belong in tech as you have no scientific and analytic approach to things. That's my takeaway here. You have left an extensive record of your bias in multiple comments. Including purposeful deflection and projection, as you try to make it out that I react emotionally. Which is false. You seem like a lost cause though. So bye.

pdimitar 2y ago

Very weird. Maybe you can point us at these "every interaction" so we can see for ourselves? Toxic people are everywhere on the net. That's not an interesting insight. If you point us at some lunatic on Twitter who loses their marbles over everything, that's not interesting either. Do you get trolled on actual technical forums though?

chjj 2y ago
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- pdimitar 2y ago
  One lunatic. Not a community full of them. I've been communicating with the "community" for years. Worst I saw was 2-3 people like the one you linked to, and a few more on Rust Users Forum that can be a bit gatekeep-ish at times. For 4-5 years in total. Do the math on averages. It is interesting how you can't see that you are inflating one nut case and extrapolating to an entire community.