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>Why am I starting to believe that france is now more culturally shited towards being a new super power in this multi polar world instead of USA. Because you a

by jisnsm 2y ago

>Why am I starting to believe that france is now more culturally shited towards being a new super power in this multi polar world instead of USA. Because you are reading a lot of destabilisation propaganda online. I recommend you cut your news and social networks consumption a little bit. The fact that you are beginning to trust FRANCE over something that MACRON did, no less, speaks volumes.

myko 2y ago
It is completely reasonable to see France in that light given recent history of the US - a man who should be in prison for insurrection is the head of the executive.
- diggan 2y ago
  > a man who should be in prison for insurrection is the head of the executive I'm no France-lover (hugs from north-east of Spain), but I think this sums up things pretty well. Someone who would have been jailed in any other democracy, is now the head of government, somehow. Given France's experience with democracy and how hard it is to keep, and America's lack of experience (as a country and democracy), makes me trust France a lot more today.
  - jisnsm 2y ago
    Being Spanish you know very well that our current president should also be in prison. So I will trust your word.
  - Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
    Exactly!!! This was the exact sentiment I was trying to capture. Along with the fact that a lot of american politics simply doesn't make much sense to me following it. So that also helps. the fact that france's president put his stance forward and corrected american's president's blatant lie also contributed just a little in my ignorant tiny world bubble to really considering about france as a more trustworthy country and then reasoning from it to concluding it as true. There might be many other countries as well who are more trust worthy than france , but certain events which put them in spotlight would be required for the normies like me to find it.
- PoignardAzur 1y ago
  I mean... I'm not sure we're doing much better. Sarkozy got sentenced for jail time (commuted to house arrest) and there are still people who would vote for him if he ran for president again.
Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
May I clarify my comment. Trust was maybe a different word , maybe hope is the correct word ? (but doesn't everybody trust hope) But I trust the people who can make me hope for a better future by actively not submitting to those people who are actively trying to reduce my hope in better future. There is absolutely no denying that what Trump has done , has absolutely made many people really hopeless. Such levels of incompetency at a presidential level just feels weird. Its as if nobody is seeing how absurd things are , when you connect everything. Maybe its me , but this presidency feels like a chaos to me as an outsider / foreigner. America , as it is right now , is a failed state. I don't understand , don't we trust countries based on their stability and their stance. Such level of open defiance is what makes me trust france that they are more likely to stand to facts than ahem america. To be honest , maybe I am being too gloom / sad over america. It feels like the world is shifting towards a russo-american , european , chinese influenceced multi polar world. What america really hated russia was for are just past wars , but britain and france also had these but they collectively became allies after world war. May I ask , where in my total arguments , am I sounding unreasonable? I thought it doesn't matter where you read the news , I was able to reason to a pessimist outlook of the trump presidency. Everything is a propaganda , propaganda literally means something along the lines of sharing your ideas. Listening to propaganda isn't bad , but blindly advocating for it without reason is bad and dismissing other opinions without reason to fulfill your bias is bad. If you can really counter my reason , then hey , I can be glad that I don't have to be sad about USA. Also , I watched a video somewhere that we have a limited amount of (he said "fucks" but in the sense of I give a fuck) things you can care and you have to use it wisely. I really was giving too much care about USA but I have stopped caring now since its not my country anyway and what power do I really have? Maybe it might be my own fault / I read some things without really applying my own reason. I am sorry if it offends people but this is my honest opinion America has fallen in my eyes. And there is nothing I can do to change that , so why even care about america?
- jisnsm 2y ago
  I am European. I know who Macron is. I know what he does. If one sees Macron as something other than someone who is willing to sell out his country for his masters, that seems unreasonable to me. If the hope of Europe is put on someone like Macron we know that Europe is hopeless. (I think it is)

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myko 2y ago

It is completely reasonable to see France in that light given recent history of the US - a man who should be in prison for insurrection is the head of the executive.

diggan 2y ago
> a man who should be in prison for insurrection is the head of the executive I'm no France-lover (hugs from north-east of Spain), but I think this sums up things pretty well. Someone who would have been jailed in any other democracy, is now the head of government, somehow. Given France's experience with democracy and how hard it is to keep, and America's lack of experience (as a country and democracy), makes me trust France a lot more today.
- jisnsm 2y ago
  Being Spanish you know very well that our current president should also be in prison. So I will trust your word.
- Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
  Exactly!!! This was the exact sentiment I was trying to capture. Along with the fact that a lot of american politics simply doesn't make much sense to me following it. So that also helps. the fact that france's president put his stance forward and corrected american's president's blatant lie also contributed just a little in my ignorant tiny world bubble to really considering about france as a more trustworthy country and then reasoning from it to concluding it as true. There might be many other countries as well who are more trust worthy than france , but certain events which put them in spotlight would be required for the normies like me to find it.
PoignardAzur 1y ago
I mean... I'm not sure we're doing much better. Sarkozy got sentenced for jail time (commuted to house arrest) and there are still people who would vote for him if he ran for president again.

Imustaskforhelp 2y ago

May I clarify my comment. Trust was maybe a different word , maybe hope is the correct word ? (but doesn't everybody trust hope) But I trust the people who can make me hope for a better future by actively not submitting to those people who are actively trying to reduce my hope in better future. There is absolutely no denying that what Trump has done , has absolutely made many people really hopeless. Such levels of incompetency at a presidential level just feels weird. Its as if nobody is seeing how absurd things are , when you connect everything. Maybe its me , but this presidency feels like a chaos to me as an outsider / foreigner. America , as it is right now , is a failed state. I don't understand , don't we trust countries based on their stability and their stance. Such level of open defiance is what makes me trust france that they are more likely to stand to facts than ahem america. To be honest , maybe I am being too gloom / sad over america. It feels like the world is shifting towards a russo-american , european , chinese influenceced multi polar world. What america really hated russia was for are just past wars , but britain and france also had these but they collectively became allies after world war. May I ask , where in my total arguments , am I sounding unreasonable? I thought it doesn't matter where you read the news , I was able to reason to a pessimist outlook of the trump presidency. Everything is a propaganda , propaganda literally means something along the lines of sharing your ideas. Listening to propaganda isn't bad , but blindly advocating for it without reason is bad and dismissing other opinions without reason to fulfill your bias is bad. If you can really counter my reason , then hey , I can be glad that I don't have to be sad about USA. Also , I watched a video somewhere that we have a limited amount of (he said "fucks" but in the sense of I give a fuck) things you can care and you have to use it wisely. I really was giving too much care about USA but I have stopped caring now since its not my country anyway and what power do I really have? Maybe it might be my own fault / I read some things without really applying my own reason. I am sorry if it offends people but this is my honest opinion America has fallen in my eyes. And there is nothing I can do to change that , so why even care about america?

jisnsm 2y ago
I am European. I know who Macron is. I know what he does. If one sees Macron as something other than someone who is willing to sell out his country for his masters, that seems unreasonable to me. If the hope of Europe is put on someone like Macron we know that Europe is hopeless. (I think it is)