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I really like the idea of Ecosia and Steward Owned companies, but as somebody who wants out of the Ad game completely, uses uBlock Origin religiously and pays f
by aswerty 2y ago
I really like the idea of Ecosia and Steward Owned companies, but as somebody who wants out of the Ad game completely, uses uBlock Origin religiously and pays for services like email and search. I haven't actually used Ecosia, but am interested in others experiences with it. But I imagine in the HN crowd a lot of other people fit the same profile as myself.
- dmbche 2y agoYou pay for search and email? What services do you use? May I ask you why, if you're wanting to go into it?
- nosioptar 2y agoI pay for purelymail after seeing others on HN say they like it. It costs something absurd,like $0.8 per month, and I've never had a problem with it.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 2y agoFastmail and Kagi. The former is amazing – Gmail UX and speed is atrocious in comparison, and the latter is amazing to find reliable, to-the-point results.
- internet_points 2y agoFastmail for me. Switching was easy. For existing services/logins, I just added forwarding from gmail and didn't bother changing addresses except with the most important things. Most services from back then no longer exist anyway, or have turned into spam, so I eventually turned off the forwarding. I don't yet pay for search (mostly using duckduckgo), though I am considering it.
- gherkinnn 2y agoKagi and Proton. I pay for Kagi because it is a genuinely good search engine. I pay for both because I de-googled my life and I understand that one needs to pay for a service one way or another. The price is negligible in the grand scheme of things. I've had nights out that cost more but gave me less.
- dotcoma 2y agoI pay for Tuta (tuta.com) for email. The only paid search engine I know is Kagi (kagi.com)
- dwedge 2y agoI wish more people would self-host email. Email getting centralised to a handful of providers is no good for anyone.
- dwighttk 2y agoI stopped self hosting when my host got blacklisted and I lost about a year of emails with my grandmother… I just thought she was reading them but not having the energy to respond but when I visited at Christmas I saw that all my emails were in her spam box.
- loufe 2y agoThe unfortunate thing is that more than any other service, email feels like the one on which I cannot risk to compromise reliability. This sort of story (thank you for sharing) unfortunately fits with my own experience managing my University's undergraduate society's local email server. Non-stop headaches and complete indifference from every group which affects your setup.
- Novosell 2y agoSame here about not wanting to compromise on email reliability. I self host most things, run Linux, DDG, custom rom without Google Play, etc etc. But I've still got my @outlook.com email address.
- ghaff 2y agoI don't even routinely use my undergrad's email forwarding address. It's probably better than it used to be but, at one time, it definitely caused more stuff to drop in the bit bucket than emailing directly. And I assume, at this point, that my Gmail account isn't going to go away.
- stavros 2y agoNot the GP, but I pay for Fastmail because it's just so much better than Gmail, and I pay for Kagi sometimes because it's generally better than Google.
- iregina 2y agoHow is Fastmaol? Is it inconvenient to not use Gmail?
- hyperbrainer 2y agoNot parent, but: The primary inconvenience I see with de-googling is just the sheer number of things that become just slightly harder. For one, Login with Google. Now, I know people de-googling will probably want to have separate accounts rather than SSO anyways, but it is an important consideration. You also lose GDrive and the GSuite in general, which alternatives exist, yes, but IMO not as good. Also, most people who work online on GDocs will now find it inconvenient to collaborate with you.
- ghaff 2y agoI do use personal Google Workspace now--in part, because I used to use it extensively at work. But even if I used something else, people casually share GDocs with me from time to time.
- aswerty 2y agoAll great points. I try to de-google mostly from a personal perspective (though still haven't gotten off Maps or Android). I use loads of Google products at work though because I'm not the decision maker there.
- stavros 2y agoNo, the only difference I noticed was that it was faster. I still use Maps and have my Google account, but I don't use Gmail (or Google calendar). I made the transition years ago and it was really painless for me.
- Toutouxc 2y agoIn my case it's Kagi and Fastmail. Fastmail primarily because I don't want to support Google and Kagi because it's genuinely better than the alternatives.
- heeton 2y agoSame here. Both products are actually better than the ad-supported versions. Fastmail masked-addresses are great.
- robin_reala 2y agoKagi and Soverin for me. I bailed from GMail after the AMP-in-mail proposal,[1] and EU hosting was a bonus; ended up blogging about my choice back in 2018.[2] If there was a good EU equivalent to Kagi I’d be definitely interested. [1] https://blog.google/products/g-suite/bringing-power-amp-gmail/ https://blog.google/products/g-suite/bringing-power-amp-gmai... [2] https://www.robinwhittleton.com/2018/02/18/dropping-g-suite/ https://www.robinwhittleton.com/2018/02/18/dropping-g-suite/
- aswerty 2y agoFastmail and Kagi. And I'm very happy with both.
- iglio 2y agoKagi and Proton here
- herrherrmann 2y agoNot OP, but just checking in as a another happy Kagi + Fastmail user here!