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The article is written to give the reader the impression only the US can reprogram the jamming system and the comments seem to mostly be taking it at face value

The article is written to give the reader the impression only the US can reprogram the jamming system and the comments seem to mostly be taking it at face value. In the very Forbes article the OP's article cites it links to info about this F-16 reprogramming effort[1], showing it was collaboration between the US/Norway/Denmark and that the US electronic warfare team wasn't familiar with the system, yet within two weeks they say they managed to reprogram them to meet the initial deadline. > The 68th EWS assembled a dedicated team comprised of a mixture of seasoned experts and bright, young engineers to approach the reprograming challenge. Their first task was to understand the unfamiliar EW system and how to reprogram it. > Relying on data provided by Denmark and Norway, then adapting new processes and approaches to the usual process, the team was able to understand the system and start their work. > After understanding the system, the 68th EWS deviated again from normal methods and sent its members overseas to a partner-nation lab to collaboratively develop and test the system alongside coalition teammates. [1] https://www.dvidshub.net/news/479401/dominate-spectrum-350th-sww-enables-ew-capabilities-ukrainian-f-16s https://www.dvidshub.net/news/479401/dominate-spectrum-350th...

TheBlight 2y ago
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- gizzlon 2y ago
  > hysterical leftists How so? As an European and quite pro-US for a long time, i have turned quite sharply against, for example, buying US weapons.
  - asynchronousx 2y ago
    We would love to see Europe develop a military spine for once, I’m excited to see how long it takes before they come crawling back under the wing of the US.
    - gizzlon 2y ago
      > come crawling back It was Trump servered the relationship. Also, who wants to make deals with someone who can't be trusted to follow through. What's the point? Would you sign a 10 year deal with someone who keeps ripping it up and changing their mind every 3 weeks? What's the point?
intended 2y ago
The article does state that america has decided not to provide support. Is this changed?
- Springtime 2y ago
  My comment was a reflection on discourse of the article here. The US has pulled support for providing further jamming reprogramming but way the article is written clearly was giving readers the impression the systems are US specific and only able to be programmed by the US. Evidenced by most comments on HN at the time I posted not being about the software support per se being withdrawn but jumping off the premise it was only programmable by the US, with comment chains ranging from US software and supplied aircraft can't be trusted to going so far as talking about kill switches. This led to a very noisy, knee-jerky discussion based on an incorrect basis. Quotes from the OP's article: > Ukrainian pilots are not receiving updates, and the programs could soon become obsolete [...] France’s Mirage 2000s are equipped with their own powerful jammers, and the Americans are not involved in their programming. > In the longer term, the Ukrainians could refit their F-16s with non-American electronic countermeasures [...] But that could take time and money... Now contrast to the original Forbes citation which explained the US team doing the reprogramming wasn't even familiar with the system until being tasked to reprogram it for use in Ukraine, doing so in just two weeks and it being a multi-national effort with two European countries and an overseas facility. Had the discourse began with that there would still be criticism of the government's decision, given the US was leading the reprogramming effort, but with clarity on what was occurring.

TheBlight 2y ago

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gizzlon 2y ago
> hysterical leftists How so? As an European and quite pro-US for a long time, i have turned quite sharply against, for example, buying US weapons.
- asynchronousx 2y ago
  We would love to see Europe develop a military spine for once, I’m excited to see how long it takes before they come crawling back under the wing of the US.
  - gizzlon 2y ago
    > come crawling back It was Trump servered the relationship. Also, who wants to make deals with someone who can't be trusted to follow through. What's the point? Would you sign a 10 year deal with someone who keeps ripping it up and changing their mind every 3 weeks? What's the point?

intended 2y ago

The article does state that america has decided not to provide support. Is this changed?

Springtime 2y ago
My comment was a reflection on discourse of the article here. The US has pulled support for providing further jamming reprogramming but way the article is written clearly was giving readers the impression the systems are US specific and only able to be programmed by the US. Evidenced by most comments on HN at the time I posted not being about the software support per se being withdrawn but jumping off the premise it was only programmable by the US, with comment chains ranging from US software and supplied aircraft can't be trusted to going so far as talking about kill switches. This led to a very noisy, knee-jerky discussion based on an incorrect basis. Quotes from the OP's article: > Ukrainian pilots are not receiving updates, and the programs could soon become obsolete [...] France’s Mirage 2000s are equipped with their own powerful jammers, and the Americans are not involved in their programming. > In the longer term, the Ukrainians could refit their F-16s with non-American electronic countermeasures [...] But that could take time and money... Now contrast to the original Forbes citation which explained the US team doing the reprogramming wasn't even familiar with the system until being tasked to reprogram it for use in Ukraine, doing so in just two weeks and it being a multi-national effort with two European countries and an overseas facility. Had the discourse began with that there would still be criticism of the government's decision, given the US was leading the reprogramming effort, but with clarity on what was occurring.