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My kid just brought this up today- it’s absolutely a concern for their age group.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
If it's indeed like you say, that sounds like a monopoly that should be addressed, not protected and allowed to do as it pleases. Sure, it's orthogonal to the EE backdoor issue, but Apple or any other company, having a monopoly of a nations youths means of communication is still an issue.
- thatguy0900 2y ago
  It's a monopoly to make a product that most children want over the competition? What would the solution even be here? Force iphones to be shittier?
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    Yes when you corner an entire market, regardless how you got there, it's still called a monopoly. Read a book before trying to be a smartass.
    - jmye 2y ago
      The market hasn’t been “cornered” any more than breakfast has been “cornered” by eggs and bacon, but I dig the irony, here. How do you plan to address this supposed monopoly? Force all children born in February and March to use Android only? Demand that people respond better to Samsung’s marketing? I’m a bit curious how you de-“monopolize” something consumers are choosing over numerous, plentiful competition.
      - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
        After you learn to read, read these, then look in the mirror: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/apple-doj-lawsuit-antitrust.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/apple-doj-laws... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple...
        jmye 2y ago
        Given you’re clearly a much better reader, can you explain how Apple’s, apparently, anti-competitive app ecosystem (from your links) is remotely similar to your assertion that merely being a more popular device with consumers is monopolistic? I mean, you did read those links right? You didn’t just google “apple monopoly” and then paste the results?
    - HenryBemis 2y ago
      I is smart!!! I escaped the 'corner of the market' I used to have a simple Nokia back in the day. Then I switched to Compaq, then to HTC (Windows Mobile). Then back to Nokia 7110. Then to iPhone 3GS, then 4, 5, 6, then I stopped using iPhones and switched to Android. But to be fair I'm 'in/into tech' since I was 9-10yo. I will jump from one tech to another when I think that this new tech will give me what I need at reasonable cost and at minimal privacy cost. I remember loving syncing my Nokias with Outlook, then my iPhone, now my Android. There are always solutions out there and it is always easy to jump ship (at least for me). But I never used OneDrive or iCloud or Google Drive to begin with. So, for those who take the lazy approach, yes they will eat whatever is served and be thankful to their 'masters'. For those who spend the time to think it through, there is no 'corner an entire market'.
- HPsquared 2y ago
  Surely the government is the bigger monopoly.
  - stuaxo 2y ago
    Hello Elon
- lozenge 2y ago
  Apple's not much of a monopoly in the UK. iMessage isn't anywhere near as popular here as the cross platform WhatsApp. Kids can choose between iPhone and Android, they aren't forced. We in the UK just want the same products that are available everywhere else, including encryption.

If it's indeed like you say, that sounds like a monopoly that should be addressed, not protected and allowed to do as it pleases. Sure, it's orthogonal to the EE backdoor issue, but Apple or any other company, having a monopoly of a nations youths means of communication is still an issue.

thatguy0900 2y ago
It's a monopoly to make a product that most children want over the competition? What would the solution even be here? Force iphones to be shittier?
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  Yes when you corner an entire market, regardless how you got there, it's still called a monopoly. Read a book before trying to be a smartass.
  - jmye 2y ago
    The market hasn’t been “cornered” any more than breakfast has been “cornered” by eggs and bacon, but I dig the irony, here. How do you plan to address this supposed monopoly? Force all children born in February and March to use Android only? Demand that people respond better to Samsung’s marketing? I’m a bit curious how you de-“monopolize” something consumers are choosing over numerous, plentiful competition.
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      After you learn to read, read these, then look in the mirror: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/apple-doj-lawsuit-antitrust.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/apple-doj-laws... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple...
      - jmye 2y ago
        Given you’re clearly a much better reader, can you explain how Apple’s, apparently, anti-competitive app ecosystem (from your links) is remotely similar to your assertion that merely being a more popular device with consumers is monopolistic? I mean, you did read those links right? You didn’t just google “apple monopoly” and then paste the results?
  - HenryBemis 2y ago
    I is smart!!! I escaped the 'corner of the market' I used to have a simple Nokia back in the day. Then I switched to Compaq, then to HTC (Windows Mobile). Then back to Nokia 7110. Then to iPhone 3GS, then 4, 5, 6, then I stopped using iPhones and switched to Android. But to be fair I'm 'in/into tech' since I was 9-10yo. I will jump from one tech to another when I think that this new tech will give me what I need at reasonable cost and at minimal privacy cost. I remember loving syncing my Nokias with Outlook, then my iPhone, now my Android. There are always solutions out there and it is always easy to jump ship (at least for me). But I never used OneDrive or iCloud or Google Drive to begin with. So, for those who take the lazy approach, yes they will eat whatever is served and be thankful to their 'masters'. For those who spend the time to think it through, there is no 'corner an entire market'.
HPsquared 2y ago
Surely the government is the bigger monopoly.
- stuaxo 2y ago
  Hello Elon
lozenge 2y ago
Apple's not much of a monopoly in the UK. iMessage isn't anywhere near as popular here as the cross platform WhatsApp. Kids can choose between iPhone and Android, they aren't forced. We in the UK just want the same products that are available everywhere else, including encryption.