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The article claims that the US is "near the bottom in terms of actual social mobility", but only supports this with some points about how social mobility in the

by shazam 14y ago

The article claims that the US is "near the bottom in terms of actual social mobility", but only supports this with some points about how social mobility in the US isn't that good. The US is still one of the most meritocratic countries in the world.

gph 14y ago
>The article claims that the US is "near the bottom in terms of actual social mobility", but only supports this with some points about how social mobility in the US isn't that good. They clearly reference several books by the people quoted in the article. I assume that their claims are quite thoroughly discussed within said books. You may not believe or agree with them, but it's not as though they are pulling them from nowhere, sort of like this: >The US is still one of the most meritocratic countries in the world. And you base this claim on...?
andyjohnson0 14y ago
The US is still one of the most meritocratic countries in the world Looking at the US from the outside, it doesn't really seem that way any more. And I live in a country (UK) that is far worse.
ordinary 14y ago
> The article claims that the US is "near the bottom in terms of actual social mobility", but only supports this with some points about how social mobility in the US isn't that good. Data that supports their statements is easily found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic_mobility_in_the_United_States#Comparisons_with_other_countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic_mobility_in_the_... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/04/us/comparing-economic-mobility.html?ref=us http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/04/us/comparing-e... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to... http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/b1579981.html http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/b1579981.html > The US is still one of the most meritocratic countries in the world. This is only a convincing argument against the notion that social mobility is low in the US if you already subscribe to meritocratic principles.

by shazam 14y ago

gph 14y ago

>The article claims that the US is "near the bottom in terms of actual social mobility", but only supports this with some points about how social mobility in the US isn't that good. They clearly reference several books by the people quoted in the article. I assume that their claims are quite thoroughly discussed within said books. You may not believe or agree with them, but it's not as though they are pulling them from nowhere, sort of like this: >The US is still one of the most meritocratic countries in the world. And you base this claim on...?

andyjohnson0 14y ago

The US is still one of the most meritocratic countries in the world Looking at the US from the outside, it doesn't really seem that way any more. And I live in a country (UK) that is far worse.

ordinary 14y ago

> The article claims that the US is "near the bottom in terms of actual social mobility", but only supports this with some points about how social mobility in the US isn't that good. Data that supports their statements is easily found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic_mobility_in_the_United_States#Comparisons_with_other_countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic_mobility_in_the_... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/04/us/comparing-economic-mobility.html?ref=us http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/04/us/comparing-e... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to... http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/b1579981.html http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/b1579981.html > The US is still one of the most meritocratic countries in the world. This is only a convincing argument against the notion that social mobility is low in the US if you already subscribe to meritocratic principles.