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No, it's a difference between a hypothetical and reality. The reality is they are currently helping, have been, and noone else has in that same regard. -- edi

No, it's a difference between a hypothetical and reality. The reality is they are currently helping, have been, and noone else has in that same regard. -- edit -- Those articles linked below are about "talks" and proposals. As of now, noone is deployed in Ukraine other than Starlink. Those companies highlighted don't even have the capacity. They are just blowing hot air for publicity. They aren't helping at all, they are just using the situation to advertise. -- edit 2 -- I see, I must have missed that Eurosat was deployed in Ukraine. Albeit in a much more limited form than Starlink. That's good at least one other company has helped. However, you still have to credit SpaceX for enabling the ability to send the satellites up there in the first place :) Sure you could subsidize the competitors, but they'll be sending a huge portion of that to Starlink anyway to launch them.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> reality is they are currently helping and noone else is in the same regard Eutelsat’s OneWeb and Geo are currently providing services in Ukraine [1][2]. Their leadership, meanwhile, isn’t trying to undermine Kyiv at home and abroad. > those articles linked below are about "talks" and proposals Nope. The proposals are for expansion. Eutelsat currently provides service in Ukraine. (Out of curiosity, where did you read that Starlink has a monopoly on satellite internet in Ukraine? Always helpful to keep track of bad sources.) > those companies highlighted don't even have the capacity Sure, Europe fucked up by relying on Musk. Now they have the opportunity to fix it. In the meantime, it’s insanity to divert any resources to Musk that could go to building a competitor, even if heavily subsidised. (U.S. ignoring WTO rules means dumping and state-support rules no longer apply.) [1] https://www.ft.com/content/f4cc04f0-5ccf-44d8-b5c1-f3eebc9cd55b https://www.ft.com/content/f4cc04f0-5ccf-44d8-b5c1-f3eebc9cd... [2] https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/eutelsat-committed-boosting-europes-satellite-autonomy-continued-support-ukraine-2025-03-03/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/eutelsat-committed-...
- rvnx 2y ago
  In addition, the "help" from Elon Musk is mostly him agreeing to SELL the service and to have a free trial at the beginning of the war. The majority of the Starlink terminals are now paid by the countries on public funds (USAID, and the EU countries). It's not exactly cheap (4'500 USD/month at the beginning of the war, now 1'500 USD/month, for a total of 0.5B/year in revenue for SpaceX).

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> reality is they are currently helping and noone else is in the same regard Eutelsat’s OneWeb and Geo are currently providing services in Ukraine [1][2]. Their leadership, meanwhile, isn’t trying to undermine Kyiv at home and abroad. > those articles linked below are about "talks" and proposals Nope. The proposals are for expansion. Eutelsat currently provides service in Ukraine. (Out of curiosity, where did you read that Starlink has a monopoly on satellite internet in Ukraine? Always helpful to keep track of bad sources.) > those companies highlighted don't even have the capacity Sure, Europe fucked up by relying on Musk. Now they have the opportunity to fix it. In the meantime, it’s insanity to divert any resources to Musk that could go to building a competitor, even if heavily subsidised. (U.S. ignoring WTO rules means dumping and state-support rules no longer apply.) [1] https://www.ft.com/content/f4cc04f0-5ccf-44d8-b5c1-f3eebc9cd55b https://www.ft.com/content/f4cc04f0-5ccf-44d8-b5c1-f3eebc9cd... [2] https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/eutelsat-committed-boosting-europes-satellite-autonomy-continued-support-ukraine-2025-03-03/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/eutelsat-committed-...

rvnx 2y ago
In addition, the "help" from Elon Musk is mostly him agreeing to SELL the service and to have a free trial at the beginning of the war. The majority of the Starlink terminals are now paid by the countries on public funds (USAID, and the EU countries). It's not exactly cheap (4'500 USD/month at the beginning of the war, now 1'500 USD/month, for a total of 0.5B/year in revenue for SpaceX).