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Getting to know about this through here, and tbh I believe the writing has been on the wall for Mozilla for quite a while. This honestly does not surprise me as

Getting to know about this through here, and tbh I believe the writing has been on the wall for Mozilla for quite a while. This honestly does not surprise me as much as I thought it would. That being said, I am sad to see this fear of mine come true. Mozilla products were rock solid, and available on virtually every platform imaginable. I do not want to live in a Chromium and WebKit only world.

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theturtletalks 2y ago
And here I was thinking opensource was immune to enshittification...
- RobotToaster 2y ago
  You obviously never used wordpress, lol
- weikju 2y ago
  It is, but people/corporations aren’t.
- aswerty 2y ago
  I guess the quality here is resilience more so than immunity. I guess you can say opensource is much more resilient to enshittification. I think Mozilla has been a good example of that but the perception has been that resilience has been crumbling for years. Without an independent business model they have been in a really terrible position from the get-go.
  - ForTheKidz 2y ago
    > Without an independent business model they have been in a really terrible position from the get-go. That's one way to look at it, I guess. You could also look at it like a business model will inevitably enshittify.
notpushkin 2y ago
I think forks, such as Librewolf or Waterfox, will live for a while even if (and that’s a big if IMO) Mozilla comes down. Consider donating to them (and to Ladybird).
- the-grump 2y ago
  Vouching for librewolf. Not only does it not bother me with things like pocket and "Firefox sync", it also does not track me, and the browsing experience is genuinely superior. I didn't realize how much webgl and other cruft slowed things down until I started using librewolf. The one improvement I'm hoping for is that the project would be checked into the official Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora package repos as those are less risky than the repo controlled by the developers.
  - abustamam 2y ago
    Is it possible to do things like "send tab to device" using Librewolf? Sometimes I'll stumble upon a programming library in my feed on my phone and I want to send it to my desktop, and Firefox sync makes that possible.
    - the-grump 2y ago
      I have never used that so I don't know, but I use pocket for a similar purpose. Firefox sync is something you can enable, I believe
      - abustamam 2y ago
        Yea, I use Firefox sync since I'm still using Firefox, but with the way things are going I'm looking for a ship to jump to that still supports my workflows.
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llm_trw 2y ago
Mozilla has been pink washing itself for a decade. This has paid off incredibly well for them since anyone pointing out that it's primary purpose was to enrich the CEO while letting her band of merry women support their pet causes was called everything from a fascist to an incel. Till today the most blatantly farcical situation was that Mozilla funded women who code boot-camps while firing all the women who code inside Mozilla. I guess people are finally waking up when Mozilla pulled an Ubuntu and decided that everything you do through their software is something they own actually. They also flag and harass anyone who points out the grift.

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theturtletalks 2y ago

And here I was thinking opensource was immune to enshittification...

RobotToaster 2y ago
You obviously never used wordpress, lol
weikju 2y ago
It is, but people/corporations aren’t.
aswerty 2y ago
I guess the quality here is resilience more so than immunity. I guess you can say opensource is much more resilient to enshittification. I think Mozilla has been a good example of that but the perception has been that resilience has been crumbling for years. Without an independent business model they have been in a really terrible position from the get-go.
- ForTheKidz 2y ago
  > Without an independent business model they have been in a really terrible position from the get-go. That's one way to look at it, I guess. You could also look at it like a business model will inevitably enshittify.

notpushkin 2y ago

I think forks, such as Librewolf or Waterfox, will live for a while even if (and that’s a big if IMO) Mozilla comes down. Consider donating to them (and to Ladybird).

the-grump 2y ago
Vouching for librewolf. Not only does it not bother me with things like pocket and "Firefox sync", it also does not track me, and the browsing experience is genuinely superior. I didn't realize how much webgl and other cruft slowed things down until I started using librewolf. The one improvement I'm hoping for is that the project would be checked into the official Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora package repos as those are less risky than the repo controlled by the developers.
- abustamam 2y ago
  Is it possible to do things like "send tab to device" using Librewolf? Sometimes I'll stumble upon a programming library in my feed on my phone and I want to send it to my desktop, and Firefox sync makes that possible.
  - the-grump 2y ago
    I have never used that so I don't know, but I use pocket for a similar purpose. Firefox sync is something you can enable, I believe
    - abustamam 2y ago
      Yea, I use Firefox sync since I'm still using Firefox, but with the way things are going I'm looking for a ship to jump to that still supports my workflows.

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llm_trw 2y ago

Mozilla has been pink washing itself for a decade. This has paid off incredibly well for them since anyone pointing out that it's primary purpose was to enrich the CEO while letting her band of merry women support their pet causes was called everything from a fascist to an incel. Till today the most blatantly farcical situation was that Mozilla funded women who code boot-camps while firing all the women who code inside Mozilla. I guess people are finally waking up when Mozilla pulled an Ubuntu and decided that everything you do through their software is something they own actually. They also flag and harass anyone who points out the grift.