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Remember that... we don't have numbers yet from Tesla in Europe after Musk did the Sieg Heil. I live in Europe and people absolutely went batshit crazy about i

Remember that... we don't have numbers yet from Tesla in Europe after Musk did the Sieg Heil. I live in Europe and people absolutely went batshit crazy about it, not only in Germany. People really despise that gesture. I'm willing to bet sales in Europe for Tesla FY2025 will be terrible. I know many Tesla owners here that are considering selling the car because they are also afraid of the car dropping even further in price because too many people will want to sell it.

igleria 2y ago
This is comforting, as an Argentinian living in Germany. 1 out of 5 people here voted for the AFD...
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  And 4 out of 5 didn’t.
  - igleria 2y ago
    Thank you, I know how to count. Previous election AFD had half the votes, so what is this "4/5 glass full" comment about?
    - BoredPositron 2y ago
      You have 4 years to address the issue, but instead chose resignation. Rather than collaborating with the other three to help guide the fifth away from radical positions. Now is probably the easiest time to do something against it before it's 2 out of 5 or even worse. What did YOU do in the last 4 years?
      - igleria 2y ago
        paid my taxes and chose public health instead of private so oma und opa could get medical attention they deserve. And now planning on moving to Ireland. I cannot address the issue because between family and work and interviewing, time is out. I don't speak German, I can't vote. I'd like to understand if your comment is coming from a German or not.
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        BoredPositron 2y ago
        You've done only the bare legal minimums required to stay in the country. As a non-resident, you would also face challenges obtaining private insurance that provides the same level of care as state insurance for the same price. When fighting fascism, that effort is insufficient. I hope you find time to take up the fight when you're in Ireland, before there are no countries left to escape to. Good riddance.
        igleria 2y ago
        > Good riddance. .... ok? edit: > guide the fifth away from radical position naive.
        BoredPositron 2y ago
        What to do you expect? You are crying about the society in a country you are residing in while not integrating into said society (at least learning the language) nor trying to mend it in any other way. Your first reaction is to leave it behind like you did with your own home country. I would take a sharp look at myself and my convictions before complaining about others if I were you.
        igleria 2y ago
        You know what? You remind me of a middle aged woman who approached me screaming in January 2021 in a station in the U7 in Berlin. I was lost, looking at a map when a woman approached me. I first thought she was looking to help me, but she came screaming in German WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT FACE MASK, THIS IS GERMANY, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW OR GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY. The facemask I was using was a special face mask developed in Argentina: https://www.conicet.gov.ar/scientists-developed-anti-viral-fabric-for-coronavirus-masks/ https://www.conicet.gov.ar/scientists-developed-anti-viral-f... Of course the woman did not have any idea about that. But instead of asking nicely, she started screaming at me. You remind me of her alright! edit: also, giving opinions about my person when you don't know how or why I emigrated from the country I was born and lived for 30 years is in bad taste and reeks of Euro privilege. check YOUR privilege.
- lompad 2y ago
  On average, yes. But if you look on a voting map[0], you'll notice that the majority of those votes comes out of the former DDR. In many other areas, much less than 1 in 5 voted for the brownshirts. [0]: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bundestagswahl/wahlkreisergebnisse-karte-bundestagswahl-2025-100.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bundestagswahl/wahlkreiserg...
  - Garlef 2y ago
    Yes. But: The map does not reflect polulation density. (Which is rather low)
  - at0mic22 2y ago
    DDR is not a proper Germany, cant count them
    - lompad 2y ago
      No, the point I am making is that it very much depends on their location if this "1 in 5"-average is even remotely true. And looking at overall population statistics and concentration of jobs, it's comparatively likely that somebody migrating to germany is _not_ in those areas. And I do think that's important to point out.
      - at0mic22 2y ago
        But immigrants do not vote unless they become citizens, do they?
        lompad 2y ago
        I was originally replying to this comment: >> This is comforting, as an Argentinian living in Germany. 1 out of 5 people here voted for the AFD... My fundamental aim here was to show the poster, that it's likely not as bad where they are - and since they are a migrant, I assumed that they were likely not in those really bad areas. Intended as a positive message. Sadly, I apparently butchered the delivery of this message, as several people interpreted it completely differently.
- ssijak 2y ago
  What about Germans living in Argentina? :)
  - tonyhart7 2y ago
    Lmao
  - igleria 2y ago
    What about operation paperclip?
- JohnKemeny 2y ago
  Around 50% of the population has an IQ of less than 100.
  - techorange 2y ago
    This just inspired my curiosity, How well normalized is IQ, is it persistent over time, or does the curve meander.
thrance 2y ago
Actually, I think they went "batshit sane", what other reaction could a sane person have after seeing that happening on live TV, during the POTUS investiture?
sime2009 2y ago
I'm in the Netherlands and the used market for Tesla has already dropped like a rock. It is flooded with cars from leasing companies who after 5 years now want to sell them on for deprecation and tax purposes.
- LightBug1 2y ago
  Yup, you can pick up Teslas cheap in the UK now ... and I still won't buy those PoS's ...
palata 2y ago
> I know many Tesla owners here that are considering selling the car because they are also afraid of the car dropping even further in price because too many people will want to sell it. I know some who are considering selling the car because they are afraid of what other people will think knowing they drive a Tesla.
Juliate 2y ago
In France, Tesla Model Y is -57% (compared to Jan '24) at 640 units in January, while other brands are growing at 2813 (Renault 5), 1548 (Citroen E C3), 1177 (Renault Scenic), 762 (Peugeot 3008), among others. Source: https://www.autojournal.fr/environnement/voitures-electriques/voitures-electriques-ve-neuves-plus-vendues-france-classement-2025-378173.html https://www.autojournal.fr/environnement/voitures-electrique...
Neil44 2y ago
I would encourage you to watch the whole video of the incident, with sound, and then put your hand on your heart and honestly say you think that was a sieg heil. (but don't throw it to the crowd after)
- altacc 2y ago
  I've watched it, many people have, and have still firmly concluded it was a purposeful action. It's debatable whether it was a true "I'm a Nazi" move or a "I'm a troll" move but the smirk on the face, the long, long history of trolling and antagonizing opponents, the previous comments from Musk that the left was calling him a Nazi, etc... all indicate that he intentionally did something provoking. This is even more true for the latest copycats from CPAC, which show that the Fascist salute is being normalised and becoming a MAGA symbol. Think about that. Whatever Elon's original intent, the American right is now knowingly doing the fascist salute, not as satire but as a open sign of their politics and provocation to their opponents.
- rmu09 2y ago
  It was not a coincidence that it looked like one. Nobody with knowledge of contemporary history would make a gesture that could be interpreted as "Sieg Heil" by mistake at an event that is watched worldwide.
  - rvnx 2y ago
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    - dh2022 2y ago
      Why do people keep saying that Elon is on ketamine? What news did I miss? Did he check himself in a rehab? Did he do something outrageous a a party? I am curious. Thanks!
      - rmu09 2y ago
        https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1 https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e... https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-use-don-lemon-interview/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-u... https://www.foxnews.com/health/elon-musk-reveals-takes-ketamine-denies-abusing-drug-should-keep-taking-it https://www.foxnews.com/health/elon-musk-reveals-takes-ketam... etc. just ask any search engine

igleria 2y ago

This is comforting, as an Argentinian living in Germany. 1 out of 5 people here voted for the AFD...

BoredPositron 2y ago
And 4 out of 5 didn’t.
- igleria 2y ago
  Thank you, I know how to count. Previous election AFD had half the votes, so what is this "4/5 glass full" comment about?
  - BoredPositron 2y ago
    You have 4 years to address the issue, but instead chose resignation. Rather than collaborating with the other three to help guide the fifth away from radical positions. Now is probably the easiest time to do something against it before it's 2 out of 5 or even worse. What did YOU do in the last 4 years?
    - igleria 2y ago
      paid my taxes and chose public health instead of private so oma und opa could get medical attention they deserve. And now planning on moving to Ireland. I cannot address the issue because between family and work and interviewing, time is out. I don't speak German, I can't vote. I'd like to understand if your comment is coming from a German or not.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - BoredPositron 2y ago
        You've done only the bare legal minimums required to stay in the country. As a non-resident, you would also face challenges obtaining private insurance that provides the same level of care as state insurance for the same price. When fighting fascism, that effort is insufficient. I hope you find time to take up the fight when you're in Ireland, before there are no countries left to escape to. Good riddance.
        igleria 2y ago
        > Good riddance. .... ok? edit: > guide the fifth away from radical position naive.
        BoredPositron 2y ago
        What to do you expect? You are crying about the society in a country you are residing in while not integrating into said society (at least learning the language) nor trying to mend it in any other way. Your first reaction is to leave it behind like you did with your own home country. I would take a sharp look at myself and my convictions before complaining about others if I were you.
        igleria 2y ago
        You know what? You remind me of a middle aged woman who approached me screaming in January 2021 in a station in the U7 in Berlin. I was lost, looking at a map when a woman approached me. I first thought she was looking to help me, but she came screaming in German WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT FACE MASK, THIS IS GERMANY, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW OR GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY. The facemask I was using was a special face mask developed in Argentina: https://www.conicet.gov.ar/scientists-developed-anti-viral-fabric-for-coronavirus-masks/ https://www.conicet.gov.ar/scientists-developed-anti-viral-f... Of course the woman did not have any idea about that. But instead of asking nicely, she started screaming at me. You remind me of her alright! edit: also, giving opinions about my person when you don't know how or why I emigrated from the country I was born and lived for 30 years is in bad taste and reeks of Euro privilege. check YOUR privilege.
lompad 2y ago
On average, yes. But if you look on a voting map[0], you'll notice that the majority of those votes comes out of the former DDR. In many other areas, much less than 1 in 5 voted for the brownshirts. [0]: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bundestagswahl/wahlkreisergebnisse-karte-bundestagswahl-2025-100.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bundestagswahl/wahlkreiserg...
- Garlef 2y ago
  Yes. But: The map does not reflect polulation density. (Which is rather low)
- at0mic22 2y ago
  DDR is not a proper Germany, cant count them
  - lompad 2y ago
    No, the point I am making is that it very much depends on their location if this "1 in 5"-average is even remotely true. And looking at overall population statistics and concentration of jobs, it's comparatively likely that somebody migrating to germany is _not_ in those areas. And I do think that's important to point out.
    - at0mic22 2y ago
      But immigrants do not vote unless they become citizens, do they?
      - lompad 2y ago
        I was originally replying to this comment: >> This is comforting, as an Argentinian living in Germany. 1 out of 5 people here voted for the AFD... My fundamental aim here was to show the poster, that it's likely not as bad where they are - and since they are a migrant, I assumed that they were likely not in those really bad areas. Intended as a positive message. Sadly, I apparently butchered the delivery of this message, as several people interpreted it completely differently.
ssijak 2y ago
What about Germans living in Argentina? :)
- tonyhart7 2y ago
  Lmao
- igleria 2y ago
  What about operation paperclip?
JohnKemeny 2y ago
Around 50% of the population has an IQ of less than 100.
- techorange 2y ago
  This just inspired my curiosity, How well normalized is IQ, is it persistent over time, or does the curve meander.

thrance 2y ago

Actually, I think they went "batshit sane", what other reaction could a sane person have after seeing that happening on live TV, during the POTUS investiture?

sime2009 2y ago

I'm in the Netherlands and the used market for Tesla has already dropped like a rock. It is flooded with cars from leasing companies who after 5 years now want to sell them on for deprecation and tax purposes.

LightBug1 2y ago
Yup, you can pick up Teslas cheap in the UK now ... and I still won't buy those PoS's ...

palata 2y ago

> I know many Tesla owners here that are considering selling the car because they are also afraid of the car dropping even further in price because too many people will want to sell it. I know some who are considering selling the car because they are afraid of what other people will think knowing they drive a Tesla.

Juliate 2y ago

In France, Tesla Model Y is -57% (compared to Jan '24) at 640 units in January, while other brands are growing at 2813 (Renault 5), 1548 (Citroen E C3), 1177 (Renault Scenic), 762 (Peugeot 3008), among others. Source: https://www.autojournal.fr/environnement/voitures-electriques/voitures-electriques-ve-neuves-plus-vendues-france-classement-2025-378173.html https://www.autojournal.fr/environnement/voitures-electrique...

Neil44 2y ago

I would encourage you to watch the whole video of the incident, with sound, and then put your hand on your heart and honestly say you think that was a sieg heil. (but don't throw it to the crowd after)

altacc 2y ago
I've watched it, many people have, and have still firmly concluded it was a purposeful action. It's debatable whether it was a true "I'm a Nazi" move or a "I'm a troll" move but the smirk on the face, the long, long history of trolling and antagonizing opponents, the previous comments from Musk that the left was calling him a Nazi, etc... all indicate that he intentionally did something provoking. This is even more true for the latest copycats from CPAC, which show that the Fascist salute is being normalised and becoming a MAGA symbol. Think about that. Whatever Elon's original intent, the American right is now knowingly doing the fascist salute, not as satire but as a open sign of their politics and provocation to their opponents.
rmu09 2y ago
It was not a coincidence that it looked like one. Nobody with knowledge of contemporary history would make a gesture that could be interpreted as "Sieg Heil" by mistake at an event that is watched worldwide.
- rvnx 2y ago
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  - dh2022 2y ago
    Why do people keep saying that Elon is on ketamine? What news did I miss? Did he check himself in a rehab? Did he do something outrageous a a party? I am curious. Thanks!
    - rmu09 2y ago
      https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1 https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e... https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-use-don-lemon-interview/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/elon-musk-ketamine-u... https://www.foxnews.com/health/elon-musk-reveals-takes-ketamine-denies-abusing-drug-should-keep-taking-it https://www.foxnews.com/health/elon-musk-reveals-takes-ketam... etc. just ask any search engine