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Genuinely curious what makes you see those sets as disjoint? YMMV but as an older person I've always associated socially and politically advanced thinking with

Genuinely curious what makes you see those sets as disjoint? YMMV but as an older person I've always associated socially and politically advanced thinking with the mindset of the "original" pioneers in tech. Shallow money-grubbing, fame obsession, fragile egos... that archetype came much later.

gitfan86 2y ago
If you are genuinely curious I would suggest reading Paul Graham's essay on wokeness.
- nonrandomstring 2y ago
  Cheers, ok, but I couldn't locate a link between generation and outlook that satisfied me. The essay is a nice blast of pop psychology about "types of people", a worthy attack on political persecution, rabid ideology and hive-minds, intolerance, and a weaker attack on the idea of "performativeness" (so avoiding a frontal attack on "social justice"). But in this way Graham divides "wokeness" from the virtues of thoughtful system-theorists and original tech-optimists I mentioned, bracketing out "woke" as mere despicables and rebels without a cause. Any admirable social justice aims just evaporate in this treatment. But isn't this what we're in now, just with a pendulum swing? All the new-breed technofascists just want to "make the world a better place", right?
  - gitfan86 2y ago
    I can simply it for you. In 2007 the average person on HN was considered progressive or left leaning because they generally felt that same sex marriage should be legal. Those same people in 2025 are now considered "far right" by the left because they believe that women have a right to say they feel uncomfortable being exposed to penises in the locker room when playing college sports.
sho_hn 2y ago
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- account42 2y ago
  Might his have someothing to do with those hacker events actively excluding those with dissenting opinions. That many social institutions have been taken over by the woke crowds isn't news.

gitfan86 2y ago

If you are genuinely curious I would suggest reading Paul Graham's essay on wokeness.

nonrandomstring 2y ago
Cheers, ok, but I couldn't locate a link between generation and outlook that satisfied me. The essay is a nice blast of pop psychology about "types of people", a worthy attack on political persecution, rabid ideology and hive-minds, intolerance, and a weaker attack on the idea of "performativeness" (so avoiding a frontal attack on "social justice"). But in this way Graham divides "wokeness" from the virtues of thoughtful system-theorists and original tech-optimists I mentioned, bracketing out "woke" as mere despicables and rebels without a cause. Any admirable social justice aims just evaporate in this treatment. But isn't this what we're in now, just with a pendulum swing? All the new-breed technofascists just want to "make the world a better place", right?
- gitfan86 2y ago
  I can simply it for you. In 2007 the average person on HN was considered progressive or left leaning because they generally felt that same sex marriage should be legal. Those same people in 2025 are now considered "far right" by the left because they believe that women have a right to say they feel uncomfortable being exposed to penises in the locker room when playing college sports.

sho_hn 2y ago

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account42 2y ago
Might his have someothing to do with those hacker events actively excluding those with dissenting opinions. That many social institutions have been taken over by the woke crowds isn't news.