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@cthalupa > Trump didn't even get half the popular vote. That's not a mandate. I think you confuse USA with some other country. Read about electoral votes.

by rofrol 2y ago

jrs235 2y ago
Mandates would come from popularity, not from weighted numbers.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
  I just had to check since I am admittedly sick. Even wikipedia has mandate[1] as "mandate is a perceived legitimacy to rule through popular support. Mandates are conveyed through elections, in which voters choose political parties and candidates based on their own policy preferences." Even if we play around with concepts here, in a very, very practical sense, if the mandate is conveyed through elections, at least at the very beginning of the administration, that administration has a mandate to govern. Now.. this perception may change, but you can't honestly tell me this administration has no mandate for one simple reason: If it does not have a mandate, neither of the previous administrations did. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)
  - cthalupa 2y ago
    > If it does not have a mandate, neither of the previous administrations did. I would agree with this. I think the last time an administration had a clear mandate was Obama's first term. Every election since then the margin has been to small too clearly say that their policies reflect the will of the median voter.
cthalupa 2y ago
I didn't say he wasn't elected. I said he didn't have a mandate. If he did not secure even half of the popular vote then it is obvious that the median voter does not align with his views.
- Izkata 2y ago
  "Not even half" is being intentionally misleading: He did get more than his main opponent, by over 2 million voters.
  - cthalupa 2y ago
    No. We are explicitly talking about a mandate - the will of the median voter. Someone who did not receive even half of the popular vote is not representative of the median voter. Just winning is not enough to receive a mandate.

@cthalupa > Trump didn't even get half the popular vote. That's not a mandate. I think you confuse USA with some other country. Read about electoral votes.

by rofrol 2y ago

@cthalupa > Trump didn't even get half the popular vote. That's not a mandate. I think you confuse USA with some other country. Read about electoral votes.

jrs235 2y ago

Mandates would come from popularity, not from weighted numbers.

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y ago
I just had to check since I am admittedly sick. Even wikipedia has mandate[1] as "mandate is a perceived legitimacy to rule through popular support. Mandates are conveyed through elections, in which voters choose political parties and candidates based on their own policy preferences." Even if we play around with concepts here, in a very, very practical sense, if the mandate is conveyed through elections, at least at the very beginning of the administration, that administration has a mandate to govern. Now.. this perception may change, but you can't honestly tell me this administration has no mandate for one simple reason: If it does not have a mandate, neither of the previous administrations did. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)
- cthalupa 2y ago
  > If it does not have a mandate, neither of the previous administrations did. I would agree with this. I think the last time an administration had a clear mandate was Obama's first term. Every election since then the margin has been to small too clearly say that their policies reflect the will of the median voter.

cthalupa 2y ago

I didn't say he wasn't elected. I said he didn't have a mandate. If he did not secure even half of the popular vote then it is obvious that the median voter does not align with his views.

Izkata 2y ago
"Not even half" is being intentionally misleading: He did get more than his main opponent, by over 2 million voters.
- cthalupa 2y ago
  No. We are explicitly talking about a mandate - the will of the median voter. Someone who did not receive even half of the popular vote is not representative of the median voter. Just winning is not enough to receive a mandate.