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https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/ https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/ - doesn't look like "walking through" the building

https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/ https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/ - doesn't look like "walking through" the building to me. Source: I chaperoned a school group through the Capitol back in 2017 or so, and our tour did not look like this. not to mention the brazen attempts to pressure states, specifically Georgia, to "find" enough votes to change the election outcome: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffens... https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2023/02/15/read-full-transcript-donald-trumps-call-brad-raffensperger/ https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2023/02/15/read-full-transc...

RandomTisk 2y ago
How does that in any way answer the question of how Jan 6 was supposedly a coup? Also there were massive problems with Georgia's election process in 2020, nobody denies that today so why should we keep using the least charitable interpetation possible of Trump's words?
- ipython 2y ago
  What were the massive problems? The transcript clearly indicates Trump was only interested insofar as obtaining just enough votes to overturn the election. If he truly cared about election integrity, he wouldn't emphasize the exact number of votes he needed to win.
gadders 2y ago
>>doesn't look like "walking through" the building to me. Well we can certainly trust Pro Publica to pick the most peaceful examples, but we don't really need the videos of what happened outside. The White House finally, after being forced, released the internal camera footage. I don't think that shows any coup attempts. There is also the "pipe bomb" that got memory-holed, and the role of FBI provocateurs that isn't fully explored yet.
- ipython 2y ago
  They didn't pick any examples, they pulled all the footage that was available off of Parler. There are plenty of footage from inside the building in that link from the rioters themselves- not sure what you mean? I certainly remember the pipe bomb. No memory hole of that: https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/january-5-pipe-bomb-investigation-new-footage-of-suspect-placing-bomb-at-dnc/view https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/january-5-pipe-bomb-inv... FBI provocateurs? Citation?
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > FBI provocateurs? There were federal personnel among the rioters, but they weren't, to any evidence, either FBI or provocateurs (there were both active-duty military intelligence personnel and at least one DEI agent arrested and charged.) "FBI provocateurs" seems to be one of the mutually contradictory stories adopted by the MAGA cult (alongside "it was a violent riot -- but by Antifa", "and it was MAGA, but it was peaceful, no different than tourism".)
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      > one DEI agent This was supposed to be "DEA agent", but, you fingers do funny things sometimes.
  - gadders 2y ago
    I mean the internal Congress cctv footage that was supposed by the Jan 6th committee until forced to release it. The FBI has admitted it had 26 informants at the protest. Nobody has been caught for the pipe bomb and it was barely mentored for 4 years.
    - ipython 2y ago
      Ok? Your point is? The fbi also allegedly paid infiltrators into the blm protests. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-paid-informant-sow-discord-005000541.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-paid-informant-sow-discord-00.... The fbi has a long history of infiltrating what they consider to be “extreme” groups - going back decades. It is unacceptable that there have been no arrests for the pipe bombs. Do I think that’s evidence of some sort of deep state cover up “false flag” operation? Nope.

RandomTisk 2y ago

How does that in any way answer the question of how Jan 6 was supposedly a coup? Also there were massive problems with Georgia's election process in 2020, nobody denies that today so why should we keep using the least charitable interpetation possible of Trump's words?

ipython 2y ago
What were the massive problems? The transcript clearly indicates Trump was only interested insofar as obtaining just enough votes to overturn the election. If he truly cared about election integrity, he wouldn't emphasize the exact number of votes he needed to win.

gadders 2y ago

>>doesn't look like "walking through" the building to me. Well we can certainly trust Pro Publica to pick the most peaceful examples, but we don't really need the videos of what happened outside. The White House finally, after being forced, released the internal camera footage. I don't think that shows any coup attempts. There is also the "pipe bomb" that got memory-holed, and the role of FBI provocateurs that isn't fully explored yet.

ipython 2y ago
They didn't pick any examples, they pulled all the footage that was available off of Parler. There are plenty of footage from inside the building in that link from the rioters themselves- not sure what you mean? I certainly remember the pipe bomb. No memory hole of that: https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/january-5-pipe-bomb-investigation-new-footage-of-suspect-placing-bomb-at-dnc/view https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/january-5-pipe-bomb-inv... FBI provocateurs? Citation?
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > FBI provocateurs? There were federal personnel among the rioters, but they weren't, to any evidence, either FBI or provocateurs (there were both active-duty military intelligence personnel and at least one DEI agent arrested and charged.) "FBI provocateurs" seems to be one of the mutually contradictory stories adopted by the MAGA cult (alongside "it was a violent riot -- but by Antifa", "and it was MAGA, but it was peaceful, no different than tourism".)
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > one DEI agent This was supposed to be "DEA agent", but, you fingers do funny things sometimes.
- gadders 2y ago
  I mean the internal Congress cctv footage that was supposed by the Jan 6th committee until forced to release it. The FBI has admitted it had 26 informants at the protest. Nobody has been caught for the pipe bomb and it was barely mentored for 4 years.
  - ipython 2y ago
    Ok? Your point is? The fbi also allegedly paid infiltrators into the blm protests. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-paid-informant-sow-discord-005000541.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-paid-informant-sow-discord-00.... The fbi has a long history of infiltrating what they consider to be “extreme” groups - going back decades. It is unacceptable that there have been no arrests for the pipe bombs. Do I think that’s evidence of some sort of deep state cover up “false flag” operation? Nope.