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Don't see any emails about the content block that she is referring to this post. I see emails about previous issues of her having links to Amazon in her ebooks.

Don't see any emails about the content block that she is referring to this post. I see emails about previous issues of her having links to Amazon in her ebooks. I am very curious about this, because I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection -- and a quick search of the iBook store shows tons of books about Amazon itself, things like "How to Self Publish on the Amazon Kindle" et al.

Turing_Machine 14y ago
"I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection" Neither she nor anyone else is claiming that, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
- davedx 14y ago
  Huh? The link title says: "iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon"
  - Turing_Machine 14y ago
    1) Not "instant rejection". 2) Not "just saying the word Amazon".
- pbhjpbhj 14y ago
  She isn't claiming it is an instant rejection I don't think. But it sounds like they flagged it initially based on links, she removed the links and then they said it was actually the content itself.
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- mikecane 14y ago
  A Big Six publisher had an eBook rejected by Apple because it mentioned there was also a Kindle edition available.
pbhjpbhj 14y ago
From http://hollylisle.com/crippling-apple-ibookstore-ethical-and-practical/ http://hollylisle.com/crippling-apple-ibookstore-ethical-and..., quoting Ms Lisle: 'I received an email from Apple’s iBookstore that How To Think Sideways—Lesson 6: How to Discover (or Create) Your Story’s Market has been pulled for containing links to a “Competing Website” and that in order to have the lesson put back on sale, I’ll have to remove the offending links.' I'm strongly inclined to believe that she is being truthful and fair in representing that received email based on her tone and responses in the comments [at least] of her site. She seems only concerned with allowing students using Apple products to buy an uncrippled/non-bawdlerised product. >I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection // Indeed, it appears she links to Amazon in the ebook as that is [she says] the only place that one can learn the technique she is teaching. Edit: Apologies I think I went in too soon with that comment. It appears it is much worse for Apple: Quoting Ms Lisle again (http://hollylisle.com/apple-made-its-decision-my-turn/?awt_l=FeLuI&awt_m=JkKEsJQqZE_XgP http://hollylisle.com/apple-made-its-decision-my-turn/?awt_l...) 'You don’t tell someone “The problem is the live links,” and then, when that person has complied with your change request and removed the live links, turn around and say, “No, no. The problem is the CONTENT. You can’t mention Amazon in your lesson.' So it sounds like she complied by removing links and then they told her it wasn't the links but the content.
- scott_s 14y ago
  There's a difference between believing someone's honesty and trusting someone's interpretation. I believe she's being honest; that she is telling the truth as she sees it. But I would like to judge for myself what Apple said.
  - pbhjpbhj 14y ago
    Verily. Here interpretative skills don't appear to be impaired (see her comments on [paraphrasing] 'this is not censorship it's business practice') and there is so little to interpret in being asked [initially] to remove only live links in order to get an ebook allowed that I can't readily see how it's an issue of objectivity. Hence my inclination towards trusting her presentation of the situation. My initial thought was that it might be affiliate links she'd included but then her failure to mention such a thing would be brazen dishonesty IMO and not [accidental] situational interpretative failure or simple bias.
donatzsky 14y ago
Well, it wouldn't exactly be the first time Apple is inconsistent in the application of their own rules.
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jasonlotito 14y ago
Just an FYI, the existence of content in an Apple Store does not mean that the content is in anyway approved by Apple. Rather, it was approved by a single reviewer. You can submit something, get denied for a specific reason, and then resubmit and get a new reviewer, and get through without an issue. Furthermore, the existence of content does not mean your content/app that has the same feature will be let in. Heck, during review, you can comment on the fact that other content/apps has or does exactly what you are doing, but that does not matter in any way.

Turing_Machine 14y ago

"I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection" Neither she nor anyone else is claiming that, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

davedx 14y ago
Huh? The link title says: "iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon"
- Turing_Machine 14y ago
  1) Not "instant rejection". 2) Not "just saying the word Amazon".
pbhjpbhj 14y ago
She isn't claiming it is an instant rejection I don't think. But it sounds like they flagged it initially based on links, she removed the links and then they said it was actually the content itself.
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mikecane 14y ago
A Big Six publisher had an eBook rejected by Apple because it mentioned there was also a Kindle edition available.

pbhjpbhj 14y ago

From http://hollylisle.com/crippling-apple-ibookstore-ethical-and-practical/ http://hollylisle.com/crippling-apple-ibookstore-ethical-and..., quoting Ms Lisle: 'I received an email from Apple’s iBookstore that How To Think Sideways—Lesson 6: How to Discover (or Create) Your Story’s Market has been pulled for containing links to a “Competing Website” and that in order to have the lesson put back on sale, I’ll have to remove the offending links.' I'm strongly inclined to believe that she is being truthful and fair in representing that received email based on her tone and responses in the comments [at least] of her site. She seems only concerned with allowing students using Apple products to buy an uncrippled/non-bawdlerised product. >I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection // Indeed, it appears she links to Amazon in the ebook as that is [she says] the only place that one can learn the technique she is teaching. Edit: Apologies I think I went in too soon with that comment. It appears it is much worse for Apple: Quoting Ms Lisle again (http://hollylisle.com/apple-made-its-decision-my-turn/?awt_l=FeLuI&awt_m=JkKEsJQqZE_XgP http://hollylisle.com/apple-made-its-decision-my-turn/?awt_l...) 'You don’t tell someone “The problem is the live links,” and then, when that person has complied with your change request and removed the live links, turn around and say, “No, no. The problem is the CONTENT. You can’t mention Amazon in your lesson.' So it sounds like she complied by removing links and then they told her it wasn't the links but the content.

scott_s 14y ago
There's a difference between believing someone's honesty and trusting someone's interpretation. I believe she's being honest; that she is telling the truth as she sees it. But I would like to judge for myself what Apple said.
- pbhjpbhj 14y ago
  Verily. Here interpretative skills don't appear to be impaired (see her comments on [paraphrasing] 'this is not censorship it's business practice') and there is so little to interpret in being asked [initially] to remove only live links in order to get an ebook allowed that I can't readily see how it's an issue of objectivity. Hence my inclination towards trusting her presentation of the situation. My initial thought was that it might be affiliate links she'd included but then her failure to mention such a thing would be brazen dishonesty IMO and not [accidental] situational interpretative failure or simple bias.

donatzsky 14y ago

Well, it wouldn't exactly be the first time Apple is inconsistent in the application of their own rules.

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jasonlotito 14y ago

Just an FYI, the existence of content in an Apple Store does not mean that the content is in anyway approved by Apple. Rather, it was approved by a single reviewer. You can submit something, get denied for a specific reason, and then resubmit and get a new reviewer, and get through without an issue. Furthermore, the existence of content does not mean your content/app that has the same feature will be let in. Heck, during review, you can comment on the fact that other content/apps has or does exactly what you are doing, but that does not matter in any way.