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This is insane... we should not be throwing away good tech because of planned obsolescence and relying on groveling to customer service to use tech that we boug

This is insane... we should not be throwing away good tech because of planned obsolescence and relying on groveling to customer service to use tech that we bought...

paulcole 2y ago
OK, then just buy a new Kindle if you feel groveling is beneath you? I’ll admit that’s an even quicker solution.
- Carrok 2y ago
  Just glossed right over that e-waste part, eh?
  - paulcole 2y ago
    yes, just like everyone does lol. people only bring up e-waste when they’ve run out of real points to make. The save-the-environment ship has sailed. It’s not even a point worth engaging with. You really think that if every kindle ever made would magically last forever that the environment still wouldn’t be fucked beyond belief?
    - Carrok 2y ago
      Defeatism is gross. We can all of us individually, and all of us collectively, do better. You are quite literally the problem.
      - paulcole 2y ago
        We are all quite literally the problem.
        Carrok 2y ago
        Whatever helps you sleep at night.
        paulcole 2y ago
        Lol I sleep fine at night. I don’t eat meat, I live in a small apartment, I don’t drive, I don’t fly, I don’t have kids. I buy crap I don’t need though. I’ll put myself up against nearly anyone else in the developed world as far as carbon footprint goes.
    - Rhea_Karty 2y ago
      E-waste, monetary waste (all this work in a good product-- only to be actively destroyed so that you have to buy a new one!), customer rights (it wouldn't be legal for someone to break your item with a hammer, so why with code?), and also just generally monopolistic anti-competitive market manipulation (this wouldn't fly in any competitive sector!) We, as consumers, have a right to be mad about this stuff... this is why we have the Consumer Protection Bureau and the Federal Trade Commission.
- Larrikin 2y ago
  >When companies fuck you over you should keep buying from them Yea this is dumb advice. Are you a stock holder?
  - paulcole 2y ago
    How is it being fucked over if I pay for something and get value from it? I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today.
    - Larrikin 2y ago
      >I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today. Yes you are. This is how it worked for nearly all of history. Its the entire point of the right to repair movement, to prevent companies from this scummy model of demanding a subscription for everything and trying to stop people from owning anything. Buying a Kindle over and over again benefits no one but Amazon and their stock holders. Its even more disgusting that the OP's Kindle broke because Amazon broke it on purpose.
      - paulcole 2y ago
        > This is how it worked for nearly all of history I don’t see you saying this about how we used to die if we got an infection. Times change. > Buying a Kindle over and over again benefits no one but Amazon and their stock holders. It benefits me! The kindle I bought last year is many times more enjoyable to use than the one I bought a decade ago.
        Larrikin 2y ago
        >The kindle I bought last year is many times more enjoyable to use than the one I bought a decade ago. I know you're trolling, but in what way? Ebooks were always light, the only meaningful innovations have been sort of having color, getting bigger, and a stylus. Those are legitimate reasons to upgrades, everything else is software that could be updated. >Times change. People being in abusive relationships and thinking its good for them have existed forever. See how I didn't bring up something completely irrelevant to the conversation to make a point.

This is insane... we should not be throwing away good tech because of planned obsolescence and relying on groveling to customer service to use tech that we bought...

paulcole 2y ago

OK, then just buy a new Kindle if you feel groveling is beneath you? I’ll admit that’s an even quicker solution.

Carrok 2y ago
Just glossed right over that e-waste part, eh?
- paulcole 2y ago
  yes, just like everyone does lol. people only bring up e-waste when they’ve run out of real points to make. The save-the-environment ship has sailed. It’s not even a point worth engaging with. You really think that if every kindle ever made would magically last forever that the environment still wouldn’t be fucked beyond belief?
  - Carrok 2y ago
    Defeatism is gross. We can all of us individually, and all of us collectively, do better. You are quite literally the problem.
    - paulcole 2y ago
      We are all quite literally the problem.
      - Carrok 2y ago
        Whatever helps you sleep at night.
        paulcole 2y ago
        Lol I sleep fine at night. I don’t eat meat, I live in a small apartment, I don’t drive, I don’t fly, I don’t have kids. I buy crap I don’t need though. I’ll put myself up against nearly anyone else in the developed world as far as carbon footprint goes.
  - Rhea_Karty 2y ago
    E-waste, monetary waste (all this work in a good product-- only to be actively destroyed so that you have to buy a new one!), customer rights (it wouldn't be legal for someone to break your item with a hammer, so why with code?), and also just generally monopolistic anti-competitive market manipulation (this wouldn't fly in any competitive sector!) We, as consumers, have a right to be mad about this stuff... this is why we have the Consumer Protection Bureau and the Federal Trade Commission.
Larrikin 2y ago
>When companies fuck you over you should keep buying from them Yea this is dumb advice. Are you a stock holder?
- paulcole 2y ago
  How is it being fucked over if I pay for something and get value from it? I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today.
  - Larrikin 2y ago
    >I’m not entitled to my Kindle working forever just because I bought it today. Yes you are. This is how it worked for nearly all of history. Its the entire point of the right to repair movement, to prevent companies from this scummy model of demanding a subscription for everything and trying to stop people from owning anything. Buying a Kindle over and over again benefits no one but Amazon and their stock holders. Its even more disgusting that the OP's Kindle broke because Amazon broke it on purpose.
    - paulcole 2y ago
      > This is how it worked for nearly all of history I don’t see you saying this about how we used to die if we got an infection. Times change. > Buying a Kindle over and over again benefits no one but Amazon and their stock holders. It benefits me! The kindle I bought last year is many times more enjoyable to use than the one I bought a decade ago.
      - Larrikin 2y ago
        >The kindle I bought last year is many times more enjoyable to use than the one I bought a decade ago. I know you're trolling, but in what way? Ebooks were always light, the only meaningful innovations have been sort of having color, getting bigger, and a stylus. Those are legitimate reasons to upgrades, everything else is software that could be updated. >Times change. People being in abusive relationships and thinking its good for them have existed forever. See how I didn't bring up something completely irrelevant to the conversation to make a point.