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HN is pretty low moderation across the axis of personal attacks. If you politely say a ad hominem or racist or *-phobic thing here, it's unlikely you'll be mode

HN is pretty low moderation across the axis of personal attacks. If you politely say a ad hominem or racist or *-phobic thing here, it's unlikely you'll be moderated for it, for instance. I can dig up many such examples, but I suspect the response would be, "of course that's not moderated" because this community has a different set of values than some others. Moderation is always an editorial action, and as such we tend to view it as strong when it aligns with our own values and weak when it doesn't.

dang 2y ago
That doesn't match my experience of what we do, so I'd like to see those "many such examples". IMO, if you're going to make charges like this, which would be serious if they were true, you should include links so readers can make up their own minds.
- prododev 2y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42461200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42461200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42783776 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42783776 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42780835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42780835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42718838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42718838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42708579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42708579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42700319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42700319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43034231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43034231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43031405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43031405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42959625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42959625 My methodology: Search for any of the following terms: woman, biological, Black, Latino, gay, trans, woke, dei, or virtue signal Set to "Comments" and "30 days". You'll find plenty of people saying things that are pretty awful. Yes, they are not the majority of posts, this place isn't a cesspool, it's just a place that permits "just asking questions" or "it's up for debate" as a defense for behavior I could find many, MANY more examples.
  - dang 2y ago
    Thanks! I appreciate your taking the time to do this. Of the 10 links you listed, 7 seem to me obviously to break the site guidelines and I've flagkilled them. One, incidentally, was from an account that we banned earlier today (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43042278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43042278), and another was from an account that we banned a couple days later (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42483610 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42483610). Of the remaining 3 of the 10, I disagree with you about saagarjha's comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907076. That one seems thoughtful and in keeping with the site guidelines. It does use a lot of sort-of trigger words (I counted "trans", "vegan", "left wing", "Democrat", "progressive", "conservatism", "Republican"), but surely we're not going to punish people just for using words like that. The other two seemed borderline to me, although I confess that one was so long that I couldn't read it before becoming le tired. > I could find many, MANY more examples. I'd be interested in seeing them, and I hope it's clear that I mean that. I don't want to argue about this—I want to see what you're seeing.
    - prododev 2y ago
      I think saagarjhas comment is probably a transcription error on my part, copying the wrong link out of a thread that had questionable stuff in it. I'll dig up some more. They tend to be a bit stochastic, and on various topics. (There was an article that made the front page awhile back written about pg that was written by a trans woman that was an absolute lightning rod for this, iirc.)

dang 2y ago

That doesn't match my experience of what we do, so I'd like to see those "many such examples". IMO, if you're going to make charges like this, which would be serious if they were true, you should include links so readers can make up their own minds.

prododev 2y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42461200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42461200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42783776 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42783776 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42780835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42780835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42718838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42718838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42708579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42708579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42700319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42700319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43034231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43034231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43031405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43031405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42959625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42959625 My methodology: Search for any of the following terms: woman, biological, Black, Latino, gay, trans, woke, dei, or virtue signal Set to "Comments" and "30 days". You'll find plenty of people saying things that are pretty awful. Yes, they are not the majority of posts, this place isn't a cesspool, it's just a place that permits "just asking questions" or "it's up for debate" as a defense for behavior I could find many, MANY more examples.
- dang 2y ago
  Thanks! I appreciate your taking the time to do this. Of the 10 links you listed, 7 seem to me obviously to break the site guidelines and I've flagkilled them. One, incidentally, was from an account that we banned earlier today (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43042278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43042278), and another was from an account that we banned a couple days later (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42483610 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42483610). Of the remaining 3 of the 10, I disagree with you about saagarjha's comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42907076. That one seems thoughtful and in keeping with the site guidelines. It does use a lot of sort-of trigger words (I counted "trans", "vegan", "left wing", "Democrat", "progressive", "conservatism", "Republican"), but surely we're not going to punish people just for using words like that. The other two seemed borderline to me, although I confess that one was so long that I couldn't read it before becoming le tired. > I could find many, MANY more examples. I'd be interested in seeing them, and I hope it's clear that I mean that. I don't want to argue about this—I want to see what you're seeing.
  - prododev 2y ago
    I think saagarjhas comment is probably a transcription error on my part, copying the wrong link out of a thread that had questionable stuff in it. I'll dig up some more. They tend to be a bit stochastic, and on various topics. (There was an article that made the front page awhile back written about pg that was written by a trans woman that was an absolute lightning rod for this, iirc.)