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Isn't the "advanced data protection" option already making it impossible for Apple to comply in cases where this is enabled? Of course this is not a perfect sol

Isn't the "advanced data protection" option already making it impossible for Apple to comply in cases where this is enabled? Of course this is not a perfect solution as it has to be explicitly enabled (and it has some usability drawbacks), but imagine that people who care about this stuff have this enabled already.

commandersaki 2y ago
This article spawned because the UK is purportedly issuing a secret order under the Investigative Powers act for Apple to implement a backdoor encompassing Advanced Data Protection. Because these are secret orders it is illegal for Apple to disclose the fact they received any and what the content of the order is.
- toxik 2y ago
  It is interesting to note that the UK is asking for this superuser privilege while also infamously silencing a literal epidemic of child sexual abuse for fear of its optics (i.e., Rotherham). It’s a difficult sell for me that the police need this to do their job when they wouldn’t do it with full knowledge of these horrible crimes being committed against literal children.
  - zimpenfish 2y ago
    > infamously silencing a literal epidemic of child sexual abuse for fear of its optics (i.e., Rotherham). When you say "silencing", what do you mean? There was an inquiry in 2013[0] and various media outlets have been reporting on this for years. [0] https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-...
    - toxik 2y ago
      You do realize it is called a scandal _because of_ the lack of response? > Failure to address the abuse has been linked to factors such as fear of racism allegations due to the perpetrators' ethnicity; sexist attitudes towards the mostly working-class victims; lack of a child-centred focus; a desire to protect the town's reputation; and lack of training and resources.[25][26][10] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_explo... Pretty incredible mental gymnastics going on here.
      - zimpenfish 2y ago
        > You do realize it is called a scandal _because of_ the lack of response? There's a difference between a lack of response due to incompetence and uncaring officials (which this clearly was) versus "silencing" which suggests not only a deliberate ignoring of the problem but active steps to hide it - neither of which is the case because people kept bringing it up! Yes, higher-ups were incompetent and stupid and uncaring and probably hoped it would go away if they ignored it but that's a whole world away from an active conspiracy to "silence" things.

commandersaki 2y ago

This article spawned because the UK is purportedly issuing a secret order under the Investigative Powers act for Apple to implement a backdoor encompassing Advanced Data Protection. Because these are secret orders it is illegal for Apple to disclose the fact they received any and what the content of the order is.

toxik 2y ago
It is interesting to note that the UK is asking for this superuser privilege while also infamously silencing a literal epidemic of child sexual abuse for fear of its optics (i.e., Rotherham). It’s a difficult sell for me that the police need this to do their job when they wouldn’t do it with full knowledge of these horrible crimes being committed against literal children.
- zimpenfish 2y ago
  > infamously silencing a literal epidemic of child sexual abuse for fear of its optics (i.e., Rotherham). When you say "silencing", what do you mean? There was an inquiry in 2013[0] and various media outlets have been reporting on this for years. [0] https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-...
  - toxik 2y ago
    You do realize it is called a scandal _because of_ the lack of response? > Failure to address the abuse has been linked to factors such as fear of racism allegations due to the perpetrators' ethnicity; sexist attitudes towards the mostly working-class victims; lack of a child-centred focus; a desire to protect the town's reputation; and lack of training and resources.[25][26][10] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_explo... Pretty incredible mental gymnastics going on here.
    - zimpenfish 2y ago
      > You do realize it is called a scandal _because of_ the lack of response? There's a difference between a lack of response due to incompetence and uncaring officials (which this clearly was) versus "silencing" which suggests not only a deliberate ignoring of the problem but active steps to hide it - neither of which is the case because people kept bringing it up! Yes, higher-ups were incompetent and stupid and uncaring and probably hoped it would go away if they ignored it but that's a whole world away from an active conspiracy to "silence" things.