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> very big, very blunt, rocket-powered sledgehammer to the budget A simplistic approach--sounds nice to simpletons, won't have the effect they might desire.

by sk5t 2y ago

Dalewyn 2y ago
I'm fine being simple. Finer approaches were refused by cries of "No! What about <pedantic_detail />!" time and time again. I am fine with being a simpleton. My desire is small(er) government and a lean(er) budget with little to no waste and absolutely zero corruption/fraud. Trump and Musk's bigly sledgehammer will achieve this, screw the details because I don't care anymore.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  >absolutely zero corruption/fraud. The correct amount of fraud is not Zero. Maybe the world is just too complicated for you to understand? Are you just throwing a petty tantrum? Does that really result in a better, stronger US?
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    Some amount of waste is inevitable, but fraud? Hell no, fraud is unacceptable period. Fuck you for suggesting it's okay to defraud people's taxes if it's a Relatively Small Sum(tm), that attitude is part of if not the problem.
    - ModernMech 2y ago
      Reducing fraud yields marginal returns. Let's say you can get rid of 99% of fraud for $10M, but the remaining 1% fraud that you estimate is $2M will cost $100M to detect and prosecute, what's the optimal amount of fraud? 0% costs you ($10M + $100M) - $2M 1% costs you ($10M + $2M)
      - Dalewyn 2y ago
        "I don't really care, Margaret."[1] If we end up $2 million or $100 million less to eliminate fraud that's what we have to pay. Fraud is unacceptable, period. Defrauding people's taxes is heinous, shame on you for defending it. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7rk8djJek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7rk8djJek
        ModernMech 2y ago
        But I don't want to pay $10 to recoup $1. That seems wasteful. What is worse, waste or fraud? I think waste is worse, you seem to think fraud is worse. How do we decide what to do? Well... we have a process to determine how to resolve such differences, why don't we use that?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Fraud is worse because it is both deliberate and malicious by its very nature, it is absolutely unacceptable. The only reason you're defending fraud is because you hate Trump and Musk who are prosecuting it. Take a step back and understand what it is you're arguing for, you're throwing away even the simplest of ethics and duty to scream Orange Man and Rocket Man X are bad.
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-f... https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-firing-inspectors-general-trump-123000169.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-firing-inspectors-general... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trumps-firing-of-independent-watchdogs-raises-concerns-about-government-fraud-and-ethics https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trumps-firing-of-independe... https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/18/how-trumps-second-term-could-mean-the-downfall-of-the-fdic-cfpb.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/18/how-trumps-second-term-could... https://www.wsj.com/finance/regulation/trump-advisers-bank-regulations-fdic-efa761dc https://www.wsj.com/finance/regulation/trump-advisers-bank-r... https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-pause.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-pr... The person who's company committed tax fraud and is getting rid of independent watchdogs, FBI investigators, the FDIC, banking regulations and pausing enforcement of bribing officials is 'prosecuting fraud' ?

> very big, very blunt, rocket-powered sledgehammer to the budget A simplistic approach--sounds nice to simpletons, won't have the effect they might desire.

by sk5t 2y ago

> very big, very blunt, rocket-powered sledgehammer to the budget A simplistic approach--sounds nice to simpletons, won't have the effect they might desire.

Dalewyn 2y ago

I'm fine being simple. Finer approaches were refused by cries of "No! What about <pedantic_detail />!" time and time again. I am fine with being a simpleton. My desire is small(er) government and a lean(er) budget with little to no waste and absolutely zero corruption/fraud. Trump and Musk's bigly sledgehammer will achieve this, screw the details because I don't care anymore.

mrguyorama 2y ago
>absolutely zero corruption/fraud. The correct amount of fraud is not Zero. Maybe the world is just too complicated for you to understand? Are you just throwing a petty tantrum? Does that really result in a better, stronger US?
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Some amount of waste is inevitable, but fraud? Hell no, fraud is unacceptable period. Fuck you for suggesting it's okay to defraud people's taxes if it's a Relatively Small Sum(tm), that attitude is part of if not the problem.
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    Reducing fraud yields marginal returns. Let's say you can get rid of 99% of fraud for $10M, but the remaining 1% fraud that you estimate is $2M will cost $100M to detect and prosecute, what's the optimal amount of fraud? 0% costs you ($10M + $100M) - $2M 1% costs you ($10M + $2M)
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      "I don't really care, Margaret."[1] If we end up $2 million or $100 million less to eliminate fraud that's what we have to pay. Fraud is unacceptable, period. Defrauding people's taxes is heinous, shame on you for defending it. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7rk8djJek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7rk8djJek
      - ModernMech 2y ago
        But I don't want to pay $10 to recoup $1. That seems wasteful. What is worse, waste or fraud? I think waste is worse, you seem to think fraud is worse. How do we decide what to do? Well... we have a process to determine how to resolve such differences, why don't we use that?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Fraud is worse because it is both deliberate and malicious by its very nature, it is absolutely unacceptable. The only reason you're defending fraud is because you hate Trump and Musk who are prosecuting it. Take a step back and understand what it is you're arguing for, you're throwing away even the simplest of ethics and duty to scream Orange Man and Rocket Man X are bad.
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-f... https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-firing-inspectors-general-trump-123000169.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-firing-inspectors-general... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trumps-firing-of-independent-watchdogs-raises-concerns-about-government-fraud-and-ethics https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trumps-firing-of-independe... https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/18/how-trumps-second-term-could-mean-the-downfall-of-the-fdic-cfpb.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/18/how-trumps-second-term-could... https://www.wsj.com/finance/regulation/trump-advisers-bank-regulations-fdic-efa761dc https://www.wsj.com/finance/regulation/trump-advisers-bank-r... https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-pause.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-pr... The person who's company committed tax fraud and is getting rid of independent watchdogs, FBI investigators, the FDIC, banking regulations and pausing enforcement of bribing officials is 'prosecuting fraud' ?