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Not everyone is censoring you. Some of us want to learn about cool technology, not read politics irrelevant to daily life.

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
Fine, you're welcome to skip the political posts. I've felt the same frustration. But when any new post that has Musk in the title is flagged within a minute or two entering the 'new' queue, then we have a problem. We are indeed being censored by any meaningful definition of the term.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  One one hand, I'm not flagging anything because I'm happy to let these discussions take place. If nothing else they are entertaining. On the other hand, I see where the flaggers are coming from. If there isn't any gate keeping, other topics can be drowned out by a single highly contentious topic if enough people believe it is their civil duty to bring up that topic at every conceivable opportunity. This has happened on much of reddit, and on smaller scales in many social spheres across the country. Reddit demonstrates that almost any conversation could be steered into the direction of partisan politics if there are enough participants who think it's important to do that.
lawn 2y ago
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thrance 2y ago
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- Bancakes 2y ago
  No I live in Europe. And if I didn’t I wouldn’t worry about it until there’s armed men in uniforms and red armbands walking the streets. I’ve found the best coping mechanism to the overabundance and inflation of information due to the internet, is to simply live within your horizon. I see no musk/trump, I fear no musk/trump. Have a great day, hope your cortisol levels are good.
  - labster 2y ago
    I agree, don’t look up!
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    "Local residents confronted and drove off neo-Nazi demonstrators waving large swastika-emblazoned flags along a highway overpass on Friday between Lincoln Heights and Evendale, Ohio, home to a historically Black community that has endured a long history of racism... As they approached the neo-Nazis, the demonstrators, which Talbert said were carrying guns, called them the N-word." https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/08/us/cincinnati-ohio-nazi-flags/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/08/us/cincinnati-ohio-nazi-flags... This seems to fit your criteria of "armed men in uniforms and red armbands walking the streets". Time to be worried or no?
  - thrance 2y ago
    When they start marching down the streets it will already be far too late. And if you think we're safe just because we live across the pond, well... remember that there is no European army, and that so far our leaders have been extremely passive in the face of obvious political interferences, in e.g. Germany.
  - basementcat 2y ago
    This is a common type of argument that my friends and colleagues have offered me. Perhaps it doesn't make sense to help with wildfire relief because my house didn't burn down. Perhaps it doesn't make sense to have concerns about systemd because I use BSD. Perhaps it is a waste of resources to ensure HIV positive people have access to medicine because I don't have HIV.
    - Bancakes 2y ago
      I’m sure my democratically elected representatives will have a conversation with your democratically elected representatives about these issues.
    - lupusreal 2y ago
      How much time do you really spend worrying about all of the things you could be worrying about? Maybe you really do worry about SystemD, after all you thought to mention it, but couldn't that time and emotional energy be spent on climate change or malaria instead? Your resources are finite and the list of things you could be worrying about include many which could easily swallow all of your time and energy. You must be prioritizing some while neglecting others, using some manner of selection function biased towards local and personal matters. Which is fine, and completely natural. I cleaned my house yesterday, time I could have spent advocating the cause of mosquito nets.
- ThrowawayR2 2y ago
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  - thrance 2y ago
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    - try_the_bass 2y ago
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      - thrance 2y ago
        Whose side is currently dismantling the government to profit a few billionaires? Whose side is doing nazi salutes at rallies and giving white supremacists illegal positions of power (see the political views of the aforementioned individual named "bigballs" in the article above)? Neither court nor congress will attempt anything on Trump or Musk anymore. They are going after judges and journalists who dare report what they are illegally doing. It absolutely is and always has been a "just one side" issue. Fascists are consolidating their powers by the day but somehow it's on progressives to be more civilized?
        try_the_bass 2y ago
        Cool, you cherry-picked some radical and terrible things. I can find some examples of progressives doing radical and terrible things, too. This whataboutism is unrelated to the point I was making, and entirely representative of the kind of thinking that is facilitating and encouraging the dissolution of political discourse in this country. When your first response to someone suggesting that you might be part of the problem is to excuse every bad action from your side by pointing to the egregious actions of the other, you tell me that you have no interest in having a good-faith discussion with anyone who disagrees with you, even slightly. We may agree on most topics, even, and yet you come out of the gate swinging because I suggested your side (which is also my own side!) might be part of the problem. How then can you expect someone like me to believe you actually have my best interests in mind? Responses like this are not convincing that we even are on the same side, even if we agree on most things! P.S. The problem with whataboutism is that it undermines your point. If you're offended when "the other side" does a thing, you should be even more offended when your own side does it, because it represents a betrayal of your values. The fact that you're using the other side's bad behavior to entirely discount criticisms about your side's behavior just tells me you don't actually think it's bad behavior when your side does it. At the end of the day, the message I get from that is "rules for thee, but not for me".

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago

Fine, you're welcome to skip the political posts. I've felt the same frustration. But when any new post that has Musk in the title is flagged within a minute or two entering the 'new' queue, then we have a problem. We are indeed being censored by any meaningful definition of the term.

lupusreal 2y ago
One one hand, I'm not flagging anything because I'm happy to let these discussions take place. If nothing else they are entertaining. On the other hand, I see where the flaggers are coming from. If there isn't any gate keeping, other topics can be drowned out by a single highly contentious topic if enough people believe it is their civil duty to bring up that topic at every conceivable opportunity. This has happened on much of reddit, and on smaller scales in many social spheres across the country. Reddit demonstrates that almost any conversation could be steered into the direction of partisan politics if there are enough participants who think it's important to do that.

lawn 2y ago

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thrance 2y ago

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Bancakes 2y ago
No I live in Europe. And if I didn’t I wouldn’t worry about it until there’s armed men in uniforms and red armbands walking the streets. I’ve found the best coping mechanism to the overabundance and inflation of information due to the internet, is to simply live within your horizon. I see no musk/trump, I fear no musk/trump. Have a great day, hope your cortisol levels are good.
- labster 2y ago
  I agree, don’t look up!
- ModernMech 2y ago
  "Local residents confronted and drove off neo-Nazi demonstrators waving large swastika-emblazoned flags along a highway overpass on Friday between Lincoln Heights and Evendale, Ohio, home to a historically Black community that has endured a long history of racism... As they approached the neo-Nazis, the demonstrators, which Talbert said were carrying guns, called them the N-word." https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/08/us/cincinnati-ohio-nazi-flags/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/08/us/cincinnati-ohio-nazi-flags... This seems to fit your criteria of "armed men in uniforms and red armbands walking the streets". Time to be worried or no?
- thrance 2y ago
  When they start marching down the streets it will already be far too late. And if you think we're safe just because we live across the pond, well... remember that there is no European army, and that so far our leaders have been extremely passive in the face of obvious political interferences, in e.g. Germany.
- basementcat 2y ago
  This is a common type of argument that my friends and colleagues have offered me. Perhaps it doesn't make sense to help with wildfire relief because my house didn't burn down. Perhaps it doesn't make sense to have concerns about systemd because I use BSD. Perhaps it is a waste of resources to ensure HIV positive people have access to medicine because I don't have HIV.
  - Bancakes 2y ago
    I’m sure my democratically elected representatives will have a conversation with your democratically elected representatives about these issues.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    How much time do you really spend worrying about all of the things you could be worrying about? Maybe you really do worry about SystemD, after all you thought to mention it, but couldn't that time and emotional energy be spent on climate change or malaria instead? Your resources are finite and the list of things you could be worrying about include many which could easily swallow all of your time and energy. You must be prioritizing some while neglecting others, using some manner of selection function biased towards local and personal matters. Which is fine, and completely natural. I cleaned my house yesterday, time I could have spent advocating the cause of mosquito nets.
ThrowawayR2 2y ago
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- thrance 2y ago
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  - try_the_bass 2y ago
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    - thrance 2y ago
      Whose side is currently dismantling the government to profit a few billionaires? Whose side is doing nazi salutes at rallies and giving white supremacists illegal positions of power (see the political views of the aforementioned individual named "bigballs" in the article above)? Neither court nor congress will attempt anything on Trump or Musk anymore. They are going after judges and journalists who dare report what they are illegally doing. It absolutely is and always has been a "just one side" issue. Fascists are consolidating their powers by the day but somehow it's on progressives to be more civilized?
      - try_the_bass 2y ago
        Cool, you cherry-picked some radical and terrible things. I can find some examples of progressives doing radical and terrible things, too. This whataboutism is unrelated to the point I was making, and entirely representative of the kind of thinking that is facilitating and encouraging the dissolution of political discourse in this country. When your first response to someone suggesting that you might be part of the problem is to excuse every bad action from your side by pointing to the egregious actions of the other, you tell me that you have no interest in having a good-faith discussion with anyone who disagrees with you, even slightly. We may agree on most topics, even, and yet you come out of the gate swinging because I suggested your side (which is also my own side!) might be part of the problem. How then can you expect someone like me to believe you actually have my best interests in mind? Responses like this are not convincing that we even are on the same side, even if we agree on most things! P.S. The problem with whataboutism is that it undermines your point. If you're offended when "the other side" does a thing, you should be even more offended when your own side does it, because it represents a betrayal of your values. The fact that you're using the other side's bad behavior to entirely discount criticisms about your side's behavior just tells me you don't actually think it's bad behavior when your side does it. At the end of the day, the message I get from that is "rules for thee, but not for me".