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It's OK. The revenue is from incompetencies of engineers and enterprises that can not switch into siginificantly cheaper cloud vendors.

• scarface_74 2y ago
  Where are these significant cheaper cloud vendors?
  • teitoklien 2y ago
    … Everywhere ? OVH, Hetzner, Cloudflare, Vultr, Linode, Scaleway, Equinix (ok Equinix this can be pricey at lower levels) A million other regional VPS providers, Colocation Hosts, etc ?
    • dgemm 2y ago
      Most of these are what I'd call "cloud in name only" providers - everyone uses the term but you would have significant challenge moving a cloud workload that makes use of the higher layer abstractions to these.
      • rbanffy 2y ago
        There are very few workloads that require more than what you can accomplish with a handful of VMs. Using tools like Terraform makes it a lot easier to abstract away the specialised services.
        • deleted 2y ago
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        • scarface_74 2y ago
          Yeah, you haven’t worked with any large companies if you think that. What’s the largest implementation you have been responsible for?
          • rbanffy 2y ago
            I work with a couple workloads that can’t even be completely deployed in cloud environments. Those aren’t common. The vast majority of companies can get along with a Google office license and a Wix website. Not everyone works at a company with hundreds of thousands of employees and hundreds of millions of users. I agree RDS, Aurora, Big Query, S3, load balancers, declarative security policies, artifact repositories, managed auto-scaling clusters and so on are very convenient, but they aren’t a requirement.
            • scarface_74 2y ago
              You “worked with a couple of workloads” and that’s what makes you an expert on infrastructure and architecture at scale? Your LinkedIn profile is your HN profile. I see you have worked at some large well known companies. How can you possibly not have been exposed to some large deployments? These are three companies that you have worked at https://www.workday.com/en-us/company/partners/amazon-web-services.html https://www.workday.com/en-us/company/partners/amazon-web-se... https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/zendesk/ https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/zendesk/ https://www.spartasystems.com/resources/the-honeywell-life-sciences-applications-suite-leverages-the-power-of-aws-cloud-to-accelerate-innovation/ https://www.spartasystems.com/resources/the-honeywell-life-s...
              • rbanffy 2y ago
                And none of those is “the simple case” I alluded to. The vast majority of businesses need, perhaps, email, file sharing, instant messaging and, perhaps, a website. They won’t train their own ML models, nor have parallel sysplexes of mainframes spread across multiple datacenters.
                • scarface_74 2y ago
                  So, in the grand scheme of things, how much revenue do you think all of those small businesses combined make compared to just the combined business revenue and compute needs of just the large companies you have worked for? It surprises me that you have blinders on to an industry where you personally have worked for companies with large enough implementations that AWS has felt the need to brag about
    • scarface_74 2y ago
      You really think that all people do with AWS is host a bunch of VMs and they manage all of the services (databases, storage, big data services, messaging apps) themselves? Drill down in each category https://docs.aws.amazon.com/whitepapers/latest/aws-overview/amazon-web-services-cloud-platform.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/whitepapers/latest/aws-overview/...
      • teitoklien 2y ago
        I’ve used most of those services and know well that outside of DynamoDB, EC2/Lightsail, S3, DataLakes (s3+athena) and AWS Lambda. Most of aws services have sub-par performance for insane prices, for components that can easily be replaced at scale with open source more mature components. Programmers have just lost all of their sysadmin skills these days and will use everything to justify the need for these insane , low performance abstraction abomination that Netifly, AWS RDS, AWS RedisCache, AWS TimeseriesDB, etc are. Whatsapp used to process billions of users and exited for a billion dollar+ valuation and exit, with just a few FreeBSD running VPSes running their code, and a 20 person employee team… Most people will never touch stuff in scale of whatsapp, stack overflow, instagram. and they did it all just fine. Programmers should be mandated to learn Linux and Sysadmin skills again instead of re-inventing entire bullshit services for what is essentially often systemd replacement or a crontab/fcron replacement.
        • scarface_74 2y ago
          Maybe all of these companies know something you don’t know? For every WhatsApp that you cite used their own infrastructure, I can site companies like Netflix and Apple that decided to use the public cloud and AWS in particular > Programmers have just lost all of their sysadmin skills these days and will use everything to justify the need for these insane , low performance abstraction abomination that Netifly, AWS RDS, AWS RedisCache, AWS TimeseriesDB, etc are. Does it add business value as programmers to spend time babysitting infrastructure? Does it “make the beer taste better”? Does it help to move faster? I can set up an entire highly available data center with all of these services you mentioned with a few lines of yaml/HCL.
  • eichi 2y ago
    Oracle. I like bare-bone ARM VM and bare-bone volumes.
    • lysace 2y ago
      Going from the embrace of a semi-domesticated mostly aloof wolf to that of an understimulated psychotic tiger. Uh... Good luck?