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Fascist othering in the digital age.
by cdme 2y ago
Fascist othering in the digital age.
- zer8k 2y ago[flagged]
- TylerE 2y agoThis is _actual, for real, fascism.
- TimTheTinker 2y ago[flagged]
- TylerE 2y agoGiving their billionaire buddies feee reign on us government systems does
- TimTheTinker 2y ago[flagged]
- mmcwilliams 2y agoThis doesn't appear to be strictly what is happening. Musk posted on Twitter yesterday that he "deleted" the group 18F. That is neither an examination, a report or a recommendation.
- TimTheTinker 2y agoI think he's overstating what he's actually doing for political points. The group is not deleted - but he's recommending such an action to Trump. https://www.barrons.com/advisor/articles/elon-musk-18f-irs-direct-file-0f61fff3 https://www.barrons.com/advisor/articles/elon-musk-18f-irs-d...
- TylerE 2y agoYes no one is stepping in to stop him when he is obviously doing quite a bit more than that.
- TimTheTinker 2y ago> obviously doing quite a bit more than that. Any examples? Just based on what he and @DOGE have reported, they're basically doing a systematic financial audit. (And Trump is firing those who don't allow the audit to occur.)
- amarcheschi 2y agoMussolini was elected too At least, at the beginning He later had his power gave to him by the king which should have put him under arrest
- TimTheTinker 2y ago[flagged]
- amarcheschi 2y agoI do not have to wait 4 years, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is most likely a duck. The fact that he is "governing" through EOs, - many of those will be challenged in court, I guess, but in the meantime they still stand valid - is not being done in a respectful way. An example, regular citizens working for Trump having access to not only read but also write on the federal payment system https://www.crisesnotes.com/day-five-of-the-trump-musk-treasury-payments-crisis-of-2025-not-read-only-access-anymore/ https://www.crisesnotes.com/day-five-of-the-trump-musk-treas... Another example - denying multiple times actual science, since the scientist are amongst one of the groups he blames He's definitely on the way for being a good mussolini 2
- TimTheTinker 2y agoOne of the president's main jobs is to direct how the executive branch is run. That's an authority vested on him by the constitution. So writing EOs directing various executive branches in particular ways (and in ways that aren't contradicting federal law) is entirely within his mandate as the elected president. What we're witnessing is the weakening (and potential removal) of an effective 4th branch of government (what some call the "deep state"). I don't see that as a bad thing, as structurally speaking, this 4th branch does not govern according to the will of the people, since they are not accountable to the people. What boggles my mind is this -- Democrats complained for decades about how Congress was ceding its authority to these unelected officials. I grew up in a Democrat family and cheered as Bill Clinton was elected. And now Democrats, who call themselves the "party that defends democracy", are acting as the primary proponents of these unaccountable officials and agencies. Make it make sense.
- cantstopmenow 2y ago1. Musk wasn't elected. 2. Musk's merry band of misfit incels wasn't elected. 3. Government offices are created by statute, and they're terminated by statute. My God, you people are exhausting and terrible.
- TimTheTinker 2y agoAs I've said elsewhere, Musk and the Doge employees only have audit power - not executive. There's a very big difference between those types of powers. Musk is not terminating any executive departments or agencies. Neither is Trump (except perhaps some that are not statutory). USAID still exists. It clearly wasn't obeying its statutory mandate -- that's what gives Trump the authority to bring its current activities to an end and fire a lot of its employees. It will likely be ended by Congress after what's been revealed, but we'll have to wait and see.
- TylerE 2y ago> Musk and the Doge employees only have audit power - not executive. You've said this, but it's obvious that's not what they're doing, and no one is attempting to stop them. Literally unchecked corruption. Musk should be in prison for this - it's very close to treason.
- Febra33 2y agoLMAO. You clearly need to read more about Hitler's rise to power and how he was actually elected. You people really do not understand politics nor democracy.
- TimTheTinker 2y agoHitler and Mussolini weren't fascist dictators at first. They became that gradually (though in retrospect, biographers have identified such ambitions early on). Comparing Trump to those guys 2 weeks in, when Congress and the Supreme Court are very much alive and able to pounce on him, is rather early, no?
- CamperBob2 2y agoFour years and 2 weeks. There's sufficient evidence. He has shown us who he is, and what he is.
- buttercraft 2y agoUh, if you wait until he's a fascist dictator, it's too late.
- EasyMark 2y agoHow ignoring the law not fascism? Mandates do not supercede law, nor allow the executive branch to operate outside branches of government that are not under it's control, and yet Congress does nothing, that's is actually how fascism really does start, when what "dear leader" says is acted upon even though it is clearly illegal
- TimTheTinker 2y agoWhich actions that Trump has taken were illegal?
- EasyMark 2y ago1. closing USAID, he can't do that, it's has to go through Congress 2. Given Musk and minions full access to federal and private records, breaks FISMA and CFAA 3. The "buy out" of employees, violates Administrative Leave Act and Anti-Deficiency Act 4. The Spending Freeze that he backed out of, the one that would have required an Act of Congress 5. his upcoming attempt to end the Department of Education and defund it, without Congressional Laws behind it. 6. Firing inspectors without giving Congress 30 days notice to review the action I could go on, but I have a feeling it won't matter to those who think he can do no wrong.
- dragonwriter 2y ago> The Spending Freeze that he backed out of OMB rescinded the memo, but the freeze appears to have continued (in defiance of a court order against it, which is another level of illegality.)