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I mean you could impeach him again. But that's doesn't really do anything other than wave a finger at him and says "Naughty naughty". Hell, the guy is able to

I mean you could impeach him again. But that's doesn't really do anything other than wave a finger at him and says "Naughty naughty". Hell, the guy is able to re-run and win the elected office again after being impeached a few times during his previous administration. Congress needs to affirm his impeachment to force him out of office and that requires a supermajority, which will never happen. Trump could kill someone on national TV and he would maybe get impeached, but he'd have enough friends in congress defending his actions that he would still be president. I mean he's already a convicted criminal. That's why he just doesn't care anymore and is going crazy as if no laws exist. Laws mean nothing to him. At worst they are an annoyance or noise to him, but he already proved that nothing can stop him.

ornornor 2y ago
It’s fascinating to watch, from a distance. If I was a US resident, or worse: US citizen, I’d be terrified.
- mrkeen 2y ago
  Your politicians are watching from a distance too, and taking note of what works.
  - easyThrowaway 2y ago
    Eh, they've already seen that with the balkans and eastern bloc countries in the 80-90s. You're gonna get a bunch of Orbàn-like small time dictators on every state that once on a while have to bow to the requests of a central-government more interested in its own political intrigues than governing anything. US Doomers are expecting something similar to the Civil War movie in the next few years, the reality will be more similar to "The Lives Of Others".
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  - Aeolun 2y ago
    We have a functioning political system, and not nearly as much power concentrated into the hands of a single person.
    - pseudalopex 2y ago
      For now.
    - mrkeen 2y ago
      Three branches of government, two houses, mix of federal and state powers, checks and balances, an impeachment system, all that stuff?
      - Aeolun 2y ago
        I think key is not having an executive branch that consists of a single person and/or party.
      - Hikikomori 2y ago
        Our elected officials don't have any direct power over government agencies (ministerstyre), they create laws that the agencies need to follow. Then we have independent bodies that can investigate and remove bureaucrats that don't follow the law. Now are there any cracks in this system? Probably. But we dont have a president with unlimited power than can only be checked by congress at this point.
  - senectus1 2y ago
    yes, I've noticed a huge uptick in the right wing party using almost exactly the same language and bullshit moves.
- bigiain 2y ago
  Fiveeyes resident here, and not quite "terrified", but at least "deeply concerned". "The rest of the world" will not carry on unscathed if the worse end of the range of possible outcomes for the US happen. (I'm deeply curious about how fiveeyes intelligence operations with Canada are going right now.)
- iancmceachern 2y ago
  We are
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    - lmeyerov 2y ago
      It's a terrible opinion and free speech means people can call out harmful beliefs and behavior. Society is all about establishing social norms, so it's almost an obligation. You are free to be wrong and ostracized.
      - efitz 2y ago
        What exactly is terrible about it other than that you disagree?
        lmeyerov 2y ago
        Most immediately, all the people and services directly impacted. Then second order effects like the continued collapse of rule of law and related operational aspects like the systematic stripping of cybersecurity layers. Magnified by all this happening in one of the largest countries in the world + with most other countries and their process/people. Ex: Halt of congressionally-approved funding of hospitals, schools, and cyber defense teams, and mass layoffs around the same. It might be amusing when you are personally comfortable and do not consider the people and processes involved, but basic digging reveals this stuff. I happen to work with people like doctors, first-responders, cyber teams, military, scientists, etc whose communities are in a tailspin. It's quite vivid, and I am confused how this is even a question. The ability of people to get life-saving care is literally being removed as perishable supplies are running out and staff are working pro-bono. A top misinformation tactic is asymmetric trolling: Ask a simple question to force the responder to spend all their time. It's hard to tell if your question is from naivete, privilege, apathy, a broken media diet, trolling, or what.
- dinkumthinkum 2y ago
  It's worse to be a US citizen? Then why are so many people coming in the US and why are so many people upset about removing the ones that come here illegally? It seems like people should be happy the federal government is giving them free rides away from here if it is so bad ...
proggy 2y ago
Giving up the power to do the one thing you are constitutionally permitted to do, just because it doesn’t work for one particularly teflon-coated individual, is incredibly short-sighted. Yes the reality of the situation is bleak. But to give up on impeachment would cede even more power to the executive branch.
maxerickson 2y ago
The Senate didn't find guilt last time. If they do find guilt, the office is stripped. I don't think it's happening anytime soon, but the failed impeachment doesn't really speak to the consequences of a successful one.
- croon 2y ago
  > The Senate didn't find guilt last time. That's not true, most just relied on him being a former president at the time of impeachment. McConnell: > “Former President Trump’s actions that preceded the riot were a disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty…There’s no question — none — that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day… There is no limiting principle in the constitutional text that would empower the Senate to convict and disqualify former officers that would not also let them convict and disqualify any private citizen. ...The Senate’s decision today does not condone anything that happened on or before that terrible day.” More quotes with sources: https://www.justsecurity.org/74725/in-their-own-words-the-43-republicans-explanations-of-their-votes-not-to-convict-trump-in-impeachment-trial/ https://www.justsecurity.org/74725/in-their-own-words-the-43...
  - maxerickson 2y ago
    It's true in the meaningful, procedural sense, which is obviously what someone would mean with "find guilt".
idiotsecant 2y ago
He'll wear an impeachment as a badge of honor. The rule of law is a mostly self-supporting system. When nearly the entire edifice of government stops being concerned with it, the system breaks irreparably. We're looking at nothing less than the fall of the Roman empire in speed run, in my opinion.
IX-103 2y ago
They'll 25th him before they consider impeachment. Right now Trump is just a useful idiot being puppeteered by the Silicon Valley elite. They got "Just Dance" Vance as VP, so they have a good backup. All they would really need to do is take the existing Trump "speeches" and present them as the.word salad they are too prove him incapable of serving. That story would viewership so the media would be all over it 24-7. That's one reason Trump is rubber-stamping everything Elon says or does - he knows they have him by the balls.
elif 2y ago
I think you are assuming too much love for the guy exists in the Congress which he is effectively obviating. As the economy crashes, proletariat sentiments will change. If trump is unable to get a war going, or it doesn't develop how he expects, the economy will be the obvious narrative. And if they get trump out before midterms, his endorsement isn't the same thing.
- vkou 2y ago
  > I think you are assuming too much love for the guy exists in the Congress which he is effectively obviating. You're assuming that the founders were actually correct about a power rivalry between the branches producing a system of checks and balances between them. As it turns out, when the whole team is rowing in the same direction, congress doesn't actually care that they've abdicated power or all responsibility to check the executive. Their personal comfort is not threatened by it, and this particular congress doesn't care about governing well. Sure, the republic will be destroyed, but in the meantime, they'll extract a lot of value for their paymasters. Congressmen that had a spine, and refused to do that all got primaried out.
  - disgruntledphd2 2y ago
    Which is why the less Trumpy republicans should have supported the anti gerrymandering acts at the start of Bidens term. The primary problem only exists because of gerrymandering.

ornornor 2y ago

It’s fascinating to watch, from a distance. If I was a US resident, or worse: US citizen, I’d be terrified.

mrkeen 2y ago
Your politicians are watching from a distance too, and taking note of what works.
- easyThrowaway 2y ago
  Eh, they've already seen that with the balkans and eastern bloc countries in the 80-90s. You're gonna get a bunch of Orbàn-like small time dictators on every state that once on a while have to bow to the requests of a central-government more interested in its own political intrigues than governing anything. US Doomers are expecting something similar to the Civil War movie in the next few years, the reality will be more similar to "The Lives Of Others".
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- Aeolun 2y ago
  We have a functioning political system, and not nearly as much power concentrated into the hands of a single person.
  - pseudalopex 2y ago
    For now.
  - mrkeen 2y ago
    Three branches of government, two houses, mix of federal and state powers, checks and balances, an impeachment system, all that stuff?
    - Aeolun 2y ago
      I think key is not having an executive branch that consists of a single person and/or party.
    - Hikikomori 2y ago
      Our elected officials don't have any direct power over government agencies (ministerstyre), they create laws that the agencies need to follow. Then we have independent bodies that can investigate and remove bureaucrats that don't follow the law. Now are there any cracks in this system? Probably. But we dont have a president with unlimited power than can only be checked by congress at this point.
- senectus1 2y ago
  yes, I've noticed a huge uptick in the right wing party using almost exactly the same language and bullshit moves.
bigiain 2y ago
Fiveeyes resident here, and not quite "terrified", but at least "deeply concerned". "The rest of the world" will not carry on unscathed if the worse end of the range of possible outcomes for the US happen. (I'm deeply curious about how fiveeyes intelligence operations with Canada are going right now.)
iancmceachern 2y ago
We are
efitz 2y ago
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- efitz 2y ago
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  - lmeyerov 2y ago
    It's a terrible opinion and free speech means people can call out harmful beliefs and behavior. Society is all about establishing social norms, so it's almost an obligation. You are free to be wrong and ostracized.
    - efitz 2y ago
      What exactly is terrible about it other than that you disagree?
      - lmeyerov 2y ago
        Most immediately, all the people and services directly impacted. Then second order effects like the continued collapse of rule of law and related operational aspects like the systematic stripping of cybersecurity layers. Magnified by all this happening in one of the largest countries in the world + with most other countries and their process/people. Ex: Halt of congressionally-approved funding of hospitals, schools, and cyber defense teams, and mass layoffs around the same. It might be amusing when you are personally comfortable and do not consider the people and processes involved, but basic digging reveals this stuff. I happen to work with people like doctors, first-responders, cyber teams, military, scientists, etc whose communities are in a tailspin. It's quite vivid, and I am confused how this is even a question. The ability of people to get life-saving care is literally being removed as perishable supplies are running out and staff are working pro-bono. A top misinformation tactic is asymmetric trolling: Ask a simple question to force the responder to spend all their time. It's hard to tell if your question is from naivete, privilege, apathy, a broken media diet, trolling, or what.
dinkumthinkum 2y ago
It's worse to be a US citizen? Then why are so many people coming in the US and why are so many people upset about removing the ones that come here illegally? It seems like people should be happy the federal government is giving them free rides away from here if it is so bad ...

proggy 2y ago

Giving up the power to do the one thing you are constitutionally permitted to do, just because it doesn’t work for one particularly teflon-coated individual, is incredibly short-sighted. Yes the reality of the situation is bleak. But to give up on impeachment would cede even more power to the executive branch.

maxerickson 2y ago

The Senate didn't find guilt last time. If they do find guilt, the office is stripped. I don't think it's happening anytime soon, but the failed impeachment doesn't really speak to the consequences of a successful one.

croon 2y ago
> The Senate didn't find guilt last time. That's not true, most just relied on him being a former president at the time of impeachment. McConnell: > “Former President Trump’s actions that preceded the riot were a disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty…There’s no question — none — that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day… There is no limiting principle in the constitutional text that would empower the Senate to convict and disqualify former officers that would not also let them convict and disqualify any private citizen. ...The Senate’s decision today does not condone anything that happened on or before that terrible day.” More quotes with sources: https://www.justsecurity.org/74725/in-their-own-words-the-43-republicans-explanations-of-their-votes-not-to-convict-trump-in-impeachment-trial/ https://www.justsecurity.org/74725/in-their-own-words-the-43...
- maxerickson 2y ago
  It's true in the meaningful, procedural sense, which is obviously what someone would mean with "find guilt".

idiotsecant 2y ago

He'll wear an impeachment as a badge of honor. The rule of law is a mostly self-supporting system. When nearly the entire edifice of government stops being concerned with it, the system breaks irreparably. We're looking at nothing less than the fall of the Roman empire in speed run, in my opinion.

IX-103 2y ago

They'll 25th him before they consider impeachment. Right now Trump is just a useful idiot being puppeteered by the Silicon Valley elite. They got "Just Dance" Vance as VP, so they have a good backup. All they would really need to do is take the existing Trump "speeches" and present them as the.word salad they are too prove him incapable of serving. That story would viewership so the media would be all over it 24-7. That's one reason Trump is rubber-stamping everything Elon says or does - he knows they have him by the balls.

elif 2y ago

I think you are assuming too much love for the guy exists in the Congress which he is effectively obviating. As the economy crashes, proletariat sentiments will change. If trump is unable to get a war going, or it doesn't develop how he expects, the economy will be the obvious narrative. And if they get trump out before midterms, his endorsement isn't the same thing.

vkou 2y ago
> I think you are assuming too much love for the guy exists in the Congress which he is effectively obviating. You're assuming that the founders were actually correct about a power rivalry between the branches producing a system of checks and balances between them. As it turns out, when the whole team is rowing in the same direction, congress doesn't actually care that they've abdicated power or all responsibility to check the executive. Their personal comfort is not threatened by it, and this particular congress doesn't care about governing well. Sure, the republic will be destroyed, but in the meantime, they'll extract a lot of value for their paymasters. Congressmen that had a spine, and refused to do that all got primaried out.
- disgruntledphd2 2y ago
  Which is why the less Trumpy republicans should have supported the anti gerrymandering acts at the start of Bidens term. The primary problem only exists because of gerrymandering.