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Changed enormously. Both resumes and interviews are effectively useless now. If our AI agents can't find a portfolio of original work nearly exactly what we wan

Changed enormously. Both resumes and interviews are effectively useless now. If our AI agents can't find a portfolio of original work nearly exactly what we want to hire you for then you aren't ever going to hear from us. If you are one of the 1 in 4000 applications who gets an interview then you're already 70% likely to get an offer and the interview is mostly a formality.

fifilura 2y ago
Does that mean you will not hire anyone without a public portfolio?
- Pooge 2y ago
  I thought that meant what you typically write in the "Experience" section. GP, am I wrong? Is everyone writing a "Projects" section by rewording what they wrote in "Experience"?! For me, "Projects" should strictly be personal projects. If not, maybe that's what I'm missing.
  - sshine 2y ago
    Projects are personal projects, or at least projects in which you did a distinguishable effort. They don't have to be public to the whole world, you can have links that are only in your resume. But if they're on GitHub, they have to be public, since there aren't unlisted repositories.
    - mdaniel 2y ago
      I actually believe that it would be possible to provide a read only clone url in a resume link but I don't know if a way to make a link to a browsable version (short of having a proxy server type setup, or, of course, a slim server protected by http basic)
    - Dwedit 2y ago
      Github does allow private repositories.
      - sshine 2y ago
        Yes, but you'd have to invite each interviewer by their GitHub handle. An unlisted repository would be one that is public to those who know the URL.
  - MacsHeadroom 2y ago
    I'm saying the sections of the resume don't matter at all. The resume is basically ignored. You either have public code you can point to on Github or you aren't ever hearing from us.
    - joshdavham 2y ago
      I’m curious to hear a bit more about your rationale for this. Is it because trust is otherwise hard to establish between you and the candidate? Is it like “if we can’t see the candidate’s code then we have no evidence they can code”?
- MacsHeadroom 2y ago
  Essentially, yes. Public portfolios come in different flavors though. Most often it's code. But sometimes it's research, a blog, transcripts of talks ripped from YouTube.
tmpz22 2y ago
If the interview is mostly a formality is it still multiple hours of leet code?
- MacsHeadroom 2y ago
  No, there are AI's specifically for solving leet code. It's a waste of time. https://leetcodewizard.io/ https://leetcodewizard.io/
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Gigachad 2y ago
What worked for me is just ignoring the job listing websites, and calling recruiters directly on the phone. Don’t bother hitting “easy apply” just scroll to the bottom and call the number. I’ve also been asked for the first time in ages to come to the companies office to do interviews.
- andrewflnr 2y ago
  What do you tell them on the phone? Are they prepared for just "Hi I want to apply for the $job position"? And do they have an answer besides "cool, use the website"?
  - Gigachad 2y ago
    They put their phone number there because they want you to call it. I say "I saw this position <position name> advertised on LinkedIn and I'm interested, is this still available?" Last time I did this they told me it is but that they are at late stages of interviewing so I shouldn't bother applying for that one, but they got down my details and had other jobs that matched what I was looking for. Recruiters are sales people and you just reversed cold called them making their job easier. The majority of applications are AI bots and people who don't live in the country the job is listed in. By making a phone call you are up the top of the list of "most likely to be a legitimate applicant".
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      And when was this? I can't remember the last time anyone had their phone number publicly displayed on LinkedIn. And now messaging recruiters is a paid feature. The market's only making it more difficult to reach a human.
      - Gigachad 2y ago
        This was last week. Perhaps the Australian market is different, but I often but not always see the option to physically call.
crooked-v 2y ago
> a portfolio of original work I'm too busy doing actual paid work for companies for that.
- lnsru 2y ago
  That’s the reality for most people. Creating many things under NDA with tools watching for IP theft. So no single line of code can leave the company. I know a guy who has a portfolio, but he’s freelance web designer.
  - MacsHeadroom 2y ago
    IP secrecy isn't a moat in the age of AI. Open Source is the only way.
    - lnsru 2y ago
      Tell this to the army of lawyers at my ex-ex-workplace. Every document I printed was reviewed by our security officer (I met him months after I left by accident and we had a chat).
johnnyanmac 2y ago
>If our AI agents can't find a portfolio of original work nearly exactly what we want to hire you for that'd be a huge issue for most candidates (and basically all top candidates) because "exactly what you want to hire you for" is probably not open source code to begin with. >If you are one of the 1 in 4000 applications who gets an interview then you're already 70% likely to get an offer and the interview is mostly a formality. That has not been my experience at all in 2023/2024.

fifilura 2y ago

Does that mean you will not hire anyone without a public portfolio?

Pooge 2y ago
I thought that meant what you typically write in the "Experience" section. GP, am I wrong? Is everyone writing a "Projects" section by rewording what they wrote in "Experience"?! For me, "Projects" should strictly be personal projects. If not, maybe that's what I'm missing.
- sshine 2y ago
  Projects are personal projects, or at least projects in which you did a distinguishable effort. They don't have to be public to the whole world, you can have links that are only in your resume. But if they're on GitHub, they have to be public, since there aren't unlisted repositories.
  - mdaniel 2y ago
    I actually believe that it would be possible to provide a read only clone url in a resume link but I don't know if a way to make a link to a browsable version (short of having a proxy server type setup, or, of course, a slim server protected by http basic)
  - Dwedit 2y ago
    Github does allow private repositories.
    - sshine 2y ago
      Yes, but you'd have to invite each interviewer by their GitHub handle. An unlisted repository would be one that is public to those who know the URL.
- MacsHeadroom 2y ago
  I'm saying the sections of the resume don't matter at all. The resume is basically ignored. You either have public code you can point to on Github or you aren't ever hearing from us.
  - joshdavham 2y ago
    I’m curious to hear a bit more about your rationale for this. Is it because trust is otherwise hard to establish between you and the candidate? Is it like “if we can’t see the candidate’s code then we have no evidence they can code”?
MacsHeadroom 2y ago
Essentially, yes. Public portfolios come in different flavors though. Most often it's code. But sometimes it's research, a blog, transcripts of talks ripped from YouTube.

tmpz22 2y ago

If the interview is mostly a formality is it still multiple hours of leet code?

MacsHeadroom 2y ago
No, there are AI's specifically for solving leet code. It's a waste of time. https://leetcodewizard.io/ https://leetcodewizard.io/

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Gigachad 2y ago

What worked for me is just ignoring the job listing websites, and calling recruiters directly on the phone. Don’t bother hitting “easy apply” just scroll to the bottom and call the number. I’ve also been asked for the first time in ages to come to the companies office to do interviews.

andrewflnr 2y ago
What do you tell them on the phone? Are they prepared for just "Hi I want to apply for the $job position"? And do they have an answer besides "cool, use the website"?
- Gigachad 2y ago
  They put their phone number there because they want you to call it. I say "I saw this position <position name> advertised on LinkedIn and I'm interested, is this still available?" Last time I did this they told me it is but that they are at late stages of interviewing so I shouldn't bother applying for that one, but they got down my details and had other jobs that matched what I was looking for. Recruiters are sales people and you just reversed cold called them making their job easier. The majority of applications are AI bots and people who don't live in the country the job is listed in. By making a phone call you are up the top of the list of "most likely to be a legitimate applicant".
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    And when was this? I can't remember the last time anyone had their phone number publicly displayed on LinkedIn. And now messaging recruiters is a paid feature. The market's only making it more difficult to reach a human.
    - Gigachad 2y ago
      This was last week. Perhaps the Australian market is different, but I often but not always see the option to physically call.

crooked-v 2y ago

> a portfolio of original work I'm too busy doing actual paid work for companies for that.

lnsru 2y ago
That’s the reality for most people. Creating many things under NDA with tools watching for IP theft. So no single line of code can leave the company. I know a guy who has a portfolio, but he’s freelance web designer.
- MacsHeadroom 2y ago
  IP secrecy isn't a moat in the age of AI. Open Source is the only way.
  - lnsru 2y ago
    Tell this to the army of lawyers at my ex-ex-workplace. Every document I printed was reviewed by our security officer (I met him months after I left by accident and we had a chat).

johnnyanmac 2y ago

>If our AI agents can't find a portfolio of original work nearly exactly what we want to hire you for that'd be a huge issue for most candidates (and basically all top candidates) because "exactly what you want to hire you for" is probably not open source code to begin with. >If you are one of the 1 in 4000 applications who gets an interview then you're already 70% likely to get an offer and the interview is mostly a formality. That has not been my experience at all in 2023/2024.