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If there is one thing I've learned in the past few days, acutely so, is that the vast majority of people do not understand the sheer complexity of what it takes

If there is one thing I've learned in the past few days, acutely so, is that the vast majority of people do not understand the sheer complexity of what it takes to have an aviation industry.

9283409232 2y ago
People don't understand the complexity of anything and why it cost so much, including the moron trying to make cuts.
- staplers 2y ago
  A society accustomed to "magic pills" tends to think this way. Feels like a marketing/PR issue where every complexity or downside is hidden.
  - brookst 2y ago
    Also speaks to a society more focused on blame than improvement. Why fix things when every problem further proves your opponents are bad people?
- duxup 2y ago
  And it applies to just suddenly hiring a bunch of people. There’s no magic solution.
duxup 2y ago
I think “sense of urgency”, “trouble shooting”, “understanding what is influencing other people’s actions” and even the ability to run a sort of “run a mental simulation and anticipate second order effects” are uncommon skills. I worked with a good technical support team that worked on some high end equipment, and regardless of education the ability to troubleshoot could be found regardless and … in spite of education. In my current coding role I find myself saying “I don’t care if he used an html tag wrong, he anticipated a problem with several tickets and avoided them.” Just the will / ability to do that is so valuable.
- giantg2 2y ago
  '“run a mental simulation and anticipate second order effects” are uncommon skill.' There are literally people who are innately unable to do this (run mental simulations). I wonder what the percentage is though.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    Did you use the right word there? Nobody's born with that ability.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      You don't have to possess it as an infant for it to be innate. You don't have color vision when hour born either.
      - viraptor 2y ago
        I do mean long term - unless you've got experience with dealing with complex tasks as you grow up, is there any chance at all that you'll be good at that? (Research link welcome)
        giantg2 2y ago
        I was referring to mental imagery. Please see Aphantasia.
        viraptor 2y ago
        Aphantasia is different than mental simulation. It's specifically to do with visualisation and doesn't seem to affect things like reasoning/planning.
- brookst 2y ago
  Some of the best troubleshooters I’ve ever met were comparatively uneducated factory workers in Mexico who just assumed they were diagnosing for diagnosing and fixing everything from forklifts to PBX systems. The culture of that factory was amazing.
esalman 2y ago
I mean there's an entire cult of people who think 5G causes Covid and RF changes your DNA.
- belter 2y ago
  Well you could think that and still win a Nobel... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier
- blogabegonija 2y ago
  Well, Covid is likely made In USA. https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/foi-litigation-on-origins-of-sars-cov-2-gain-of-function-2/ https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/foi-litigation-on-origins... And RF really changes your DNA https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E.pdf https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E....
  - esalman 2y ago
    The evidence of RF causing gene mutation is not conclusive.
    - blogabegonija 2y ago
      I Agree. all in all it's not looking good.
42772827 2y ago
A majority of people are not systems thinkers.
doctorpangloss 2y ago
Of course I agree with you, but is it that complicated? There’s a cynical, non actionable POV: “people want immediate gratification” or “it’s all marketing” or “security theatre” or whatever. Another is: “what design for airline safety gives laypeople the aesthetic experience of safety that also aligns with real safety?” That’s hard! You can’t just rely on the invisible hand of a market to create that. Someone still needs to go and do it. I’ve never once read a suggestion for an alternative to the TSA for example. I’m sure people have written whole PhDs about this. Give them a voice. You’re already talking to a very literate audience. Go for it.
belter 2y ago
This is all true. But I don't think in London, Paris or Amsterdam you have military helicopters doing training flights at night, across the landing and departures tracks of a busy civilian airport. Specially when they dont even share the same frequencies and have to rely on visual cues...
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namaria 2y ago
Or a well functioning government for that matter

If there is one thing I've learned in the past few days, acutely so, is that the vast majority of people do not understand the sheer complexity of what it takes to have an aviation industry.

9283409232 2y ago

People don't understand the complexity of anything and why it cost so much, including the moron trying to make cuts.

staplers 2y ago
A society accustomed to "magic pills" tends to think this way. Feels like a marketing/PR issue where every complexity or downside is hidden.
- brookst 2y ago
  Also speaks to a society more focused on blame than improvement. Why fix things when every problem further proves your opponents are bad people?
duxup 2y ago
And it applies to just suddenly hiring a bunch of people. There’s no magic solution.

duxup 2y ago

I think “sense of urgency”, “trouble shooting”, “understanding what is influencing other people’s actions” and even the ability to run a sort of “run a mental simulation and anticipate second order effects” are uncommon skills. I worked with a good technical support team that worked on some high end equipment, and regardless of education the ability to troubleshoot could be found regardless and … in spite of education. In my current coding role I find myself saying “I don’t care if he used an html tag wrong, he anticipated a problem with several tickets and avoided them.” Just the will / ability to do that is so valuable.

giantg2 2y ago
'“run a mental simulation and anticipate second order effects” are uncommon skill.' There are literally people who are innately unable to do this (run mental simulations). I wonder what the percentage is though.
- viraptor 2y ago
  Did you use the right word there? Nobody's born with that ability.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    You don't have to possess it as an infant for it to be innate. You don't have color vision when hour born either.
    - viraptor 2y ago
      I do mean long term - unless you've got experience with dealing with complex tasks as you grow up, is there any chance at all that you'll be good at that? (Research link welcome)
      - giantg2 2y ago
        I was referring to mental imagery. Please see Aphantasia.
        viraptor 2y ago
        Aphantasia is different than mental simulation. It's specifically to do with visualisation and doesn't seem to affect things like reasoning/planning.
brookst 2y ago
Some of the best troubleshooters I’ve ever met were comparatively uneducated factory workers in Mexico who just assumed they were diagnosing for diagnosing and fixing everything from forklifts to PBX systems. The culture of that factory was amazing.

esalman 2y ago

I mean there's an entire cult of people who think 5G causes Covid and RF changes your DNA.

belter 2y ago
Well you could think that and still win a Nobel... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier
blogabegonija 2y ago
Well, Covid is likely made In USA. https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/foi-litigation-on-origins-of-sars-cov-2-gain-of-function-2/ https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/foi-litigation-on-origins... And RF really changes your DNA https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E.pdf https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E....
- esalman 2y ago
  The evidence of RF causing gene mutation is not conclusive.
  - blogabegonija 2y ago
    I Agree. all in all it's not looking good.

42772827 2y ago

A majority of people are not systems thinkers.

doctorpangloss 2y ago

Of course I agree with you, but is it that complicated? There’s a cynical, non actionable POV: “people want immediate gratification” or “it’s all marketing” or “security theatre” or whatever. Another is: “what design for airline safety gives laypeople the aesthetic experience of safety that also aligns with real safety?” That’s hard! You can’t just rely on the invisible hand of a market to create that. Someone still needs to go and do it. I’ve never once read a suggestion for an alternative to the TSA for example. I’m sure people have written whole PhDs about this. Give them a voice. You’re already talking to a very literate audience. Go for it.

belter 2y ago

This is all true. But I don't think in London, Paris or Amsterdam you have military helicopters doing training flights at night, across the landing and departures tracks of a busy civilian airport. Specially when they dont even share the same frequencies and have to rely on visual cues...

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namaria 2y ago

Or a well functioning government for that matter