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AI is the broader concept. ML is an application of AI.

OutOfHere 2y ago
Token prediction is now the unified concept, although perhaps to be replaced by direct sequence prediction. Token prediction is both ML and AI.
doublerabbit 2y ago
Yes, one could say ML could be an application for AI but it's still not Artificial Intelligence. As an engine is an application for a car, you don't call an engine a car. ML is programmed information, and theres nothing artificial about that. What is AI about it? Show me something AI from ML. All algorithms are defined, all tokens are defined. All guardrails are defined. All of it has been programmed by humans that which isn't artificial. If it was AI then it would generate itself for itself.
- grajaganDev 2y ago
  I am offering the generally accepted definitions of these terms as some HN readers might not be familiar with them. If you don't think that ML is AI, I am fine with that.
  - doublerabbit 2y ago
    Cool. I hate the term of calling AI because its an excuse to throw out a flawed pretentious innovation where by it can be flogged as a product to sucker those who don't know better. "Cloud Servers" anyone? Glorified dedicated servers.
- jopicornell 2y ago
  Well, artificial means made by humans, not naturally.
  - doublerabbit 2y ago
    you got me on that one. I wouldn't classify it as intelligent though. It's still reading a scripture of words.
metalman 2y ago
Something that is named intelligent, does not get "tricked", or need to be defended, or qualified, or defined, aaaand can take a trillion dollar market colapse in stride, pull up its big artificial undies all by itself,right! Way ,way to late for some kind of academic splaining things away. People bet a lot lot more than the meer trillion dollars.Primary national stratigic objectives have been put into play, on the promise of hardware and AI based dominence, and ZAM, just like that, North Korea etall, are jammin that artificial jive. So all of the main hypsters, are going to be promoted to somewhere, quiet and dry. It is realy troubleing that last week, ai tarpits were amusing, inconsequential, pranks, and now its "AI haters".The author of the ai tarpit was self depreciating, and recognised that there actions were symbolic at best.

Token prediction is now the unified concept, although perhaps to be replaced by direct sequence prediction. Token prediction is both ML and AI.

doublerabbit 2y ago

Yes, one could say ML could be an application for AI but it's still not Artificial Intelligence. As an engine is an application for a car, you don't call an engine a car. ML is programmed information, and theres nothing artificial about that. What is AI about it? Show me something AI from ML. All algorithms are defined, all tokens are defined. All guardrails are defined. All of it has been programmed by humans that which isn't artificial. If it was AI then it would generate itself for itself.

grajaganDev 2y ago
I am offering the generally accepted definitions of these terms as some HN readers might not be familiar with them. If you don't think that ML is AI, I am fine with that.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  Cool. I hate the term of calling AI because its an excuse to throw out a flawed pretentious innovation where by it can be flogged as a product to sucker those who don't know better. "Cloud Servers" anyone? Glorified dedicated servers.
jopicornell 2y ago
Well, artificial means made by humans, not naturally.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  you got me on that one. I wouldn't classify it as intelligent though. It's still reading a scripture of words.

metalman 2y ago

Something that is named intelligent, does not get "tricked", or need to be defended, or qualified, or defined, aaaand can take a trillion dollar market colapse in stride, pull up its big artificial undies all by itself,right! Way ,way to late for some kind of academic splaining things away. People bet a lot lot more than the meer trillion dollars.Primary national stratigic objectives have been put into play, on the promise of hardware and AI based dominence, and ZAM, just like that, North Korea etall, are jammin that artificial jive. So all of the main hypsters, are going to be promoted to somewhere, quiet and dry. It is realy troubleing that last week, ai tarpits were amusing, inconsequential, pranks, and now its "AI haters".The author of the ai tarpit was self depreciating, and recognised that there actions were symbolic at best.