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How much value is a vessel itself + the cargo its carrying overall? And how much is that relative to the the cost of repairing all the physical damage alone(Not

How much value is a vessel itself + the cargo its carrying overall? And how much is that relative to the the cost of repairing all the physical damage alone(Not including other damage). Would it be useful measure to seizure the vessel and use its value to compensate for its damage done, making it a deterrence?

baybal2 2y ago
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dist-epoch 2y ago
A better deterrence would be Russia's cables being cut too.
- alkonaut 2y ago
  I don’t think we’ll want to be in a war of escalating service-denial with a country full of people used to not having indoor plumbing. Seems like we’d suffer more.
- nradov 2y ago
  A better deterrence would be for Europe to actually stop buying fossil fuel from Russia (including indirectly via neutral countries) instead of goofing around with price caps or other marginally effective sanctions.
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- pjc50 2y ago
  They're cutting their own cables. https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tested-cutting-off-internet-access-report-kremlin-runet-2024-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tested-cutting-off-in... As nvradov says, the sanctions need to get a lot harder, especially on German machine tools.
alkonaut 2y ago
Since these cables are repaired within days or up to 2 weeks it seems, it can’t cost a fortune. A reasonably sized ship sounds like it would pay for it easily. Especially as authorities seem to have trouble finding those responsible. Tracing the owner of the ship leads to some hotel in Dubai or similar (previous incident). Just keep the ship until the owners call. If there seems to be no owner interested in taking responsibility, sell it. And we should start enforcing the requirement for insurance and environmental compliance for any passing the danish straits to/from Russian ports. Any ship that isn’t up to standard can turn back to the Atlantic.
dzhiurgis 2y ago
Blacklist the companies and crews behind these ships. NATO controls Kategat and Finnish straits. Close airspace around Kaliningrad as it is unsafe due to GPS jamming.

baybal2 2y ago

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dist-epoch 2y ago

A better deterrence would be Russia's cables being cut too.

alkonaut 2y ago
I don’t think we’ll want to be in a war of escalating service-denial with a country full of people used to not having indoor plumbing. Seems like we’d suffer more.
nradov 2y ago
A better deterrence would be for Europe to actually stop buying fossil fuel from Russia (including indirectly via neutral countries) instead of goofing around with price caps or other marginally effective sanctions.
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pjc50 2y ago
They're cutting their own cables. https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tested-cutting-off-internet-access-report-kremlin-runet-2024-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tested-cutting-off-in... As nvradov says, the sanctions need to get a lot harder, especially on German machine tools.

alkonaut 2y ago

Since these cables are repaired within days or up to 2 weeks it seems, it can’t cost a fortune. A reasonably sized ship sounds like it would pay for it easily. Especially as authorities seem to have trouble finding those responsible. Tracing the owner of the ship leads to some hotel in Dubai or similar (previous incident). Just keep the ship until the owners call. If there seems to be no owner interested in taking responsibility, sell it. And we should start enforcing the requirement for insurance and environmental compliance for any passing the danish straits to/from Russian ports. Any ship that isn’t up to standard can turn back to the Atlantic.

dzhiurgis 2y ago

Blacklist the companies and crews behind these ships. NATO controls Kategat and Finnish straits. Close airspace around Kaliningrad as it is unsafe due to GPS jamming.